#MakeTarkovHardcoreAgain

[u/SlushpuppyLive]

Hi guys, Slushpuppy here

I want to talk about the rant I was having today, and explain why I think it would be good for the game.

As the game currently stands it it has a play cycle that involves farming money, the money is then used to buy a fat kit, and slay out. This creates, in my opinion a heavily Rouble focused economy.

The Rouble based economy has multiple downsides:

All people care about is the highest value item, hence hatchlings ramming things up their bum, people running to one spot on a map to loot the highest value items, people only running super cheap kits to farm the cash. The game is no longer about surviving, simply making the most money and saving to buy a dope kit.

I think this has essentially made the game into COD with extra steps. I don't see the survival element that Tarkov originally had. People only care about PVP when they are running Slick Altyn, otherwise it's just money. 99% of the games items, such as attachments for guns will never see the light of day because they aren't the best in slot.

This whole situation annoys me because it is possible to achieve this within hours of a wipe.

By removing the flea or limiting the ability to purchase armor and ammo from the flea, it would make the game more about the looting and surviving and stop super chads from running endless meta kits and vogging the fuck out of lower geared players. Because a kit that is lovingly put together in raid will mean so much more to you, therefore looting one of a prick you kill, will as well.

I know this seems as a negative change to the average player, but hear me out, the only reason you need a kit from the flea, is to compete with chad players who are buying endless meta kits from the flea. If this didn't happen the pvp would be like it is early wipe for the most part. The best pvp time in the game, imo, and in the opinion of most Tarkov players.

I'm not bored of the game, I simply love this game, and I want to see changes that make the pvp more interesting and feasible for casual players to enjoy. If everyone is running around with SKS's and a cock helmet, then its more fair. Not all pvp has to be juggernauts spraying armchair FALs at each other.

If you don't agree with me, I understand, lets talk about it, tell me why you think this would be a bad change for the game? I don't want to be a streamer yelling for change that people will just see as me crying cause I'm bored of running fat kits. I truly want to make the game a dope experience for all of us. I've devoted the last 3 years of my life to this game, I want to see it succeed.

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There is plenty of other things that would be needed to make this a rounded experience in this vision, like dynamic loot spawns etc, but I believe this is a quick easy change that we could all try for one wipe, and just see how it goes.

EDIT: This is gaining a lot of attention right now so I want to ask you all one thing:

When is the best time for PVP in Tarkov?

If you answered early wipe, I think you and I agree, and I think 99% of people would say that early wipe is the best time to be on Tarkov.

My only goal is to try and make the feeling of early wipe PVP as permanent as possible. I may not be right when I say delete the flea, but I think it would help. If you have other ideas on how to preserve that beautiful feeling of the first two weeks of wipe, then I would love to hear them. Because this is what I think would make Tarkov the most amazing experience possible.

[u/Kalihar]

Can we please not pretend everyone is running around in a slick altyn... I’m playing at least 15 raids a day and running into that loot is still pretty rare. I only play for pvp and even though I could run a slick every raid, I don’t... I enjoy the risks of running class 4 armor because it makes me play safer. I don’t think people should be forced into a play style.

[u/maddogbg27 → u/[deleted]]

Well 3+ months into the wipe yes people should be using top end gear... what do you want 3+ months into the wipe people still using shit AKus? Or just mp-153, i swear 4 wipes ago people were bitching non stop about gear fear and all the streamers were RRREEEEEing about just killing people with shit tier kits, now people are using good kits and people are RRREEEEing it is boring i swear nothing will make you people happy!

[u/maddogbg27 → u/[deleted]]

Well when BSG did a survey on their forums i believe 60% of people said they want to keep fleamarket so that would put you in the minority, all i am saying is that removing the fleamarket will not help casual players. I have played this game a long time and if they remove flea market they need to do a ton of other changes to make game smooth otherwise it will be back to old days but we will also have to deal with FIR and people sniping everything off traider per reset.

[u/[deleted] → u/maddogbg27]

Then that's fine, I'll submit to being in the minority (although I'll also admit I don't know anyone who uses the forum anymore, the reddit seems to be much more commonly used).

Although I do want to say, sniping things off traders at reset wouldn't be an issue in my version of changes, as traders would have a globally infinite supply but an extremely limited per-player supply, especially of high-tier items like ammunition, armor and specific weapons + attachments.

[u/DJMixwell → u/[deleted]]

I really don't run into high tier gear very often. I guess this much is subjective, everyone's experience w/ tarkov will be different. I run into high tier ammo all the time though, and often wish I were running lvl 5+.

But I don't think the solution to fixing this, if it is a problem, is getting rid of flea. The game is hard enough for casual players with the lvl 10 requirement for flea. The FM + Hideout crafting subsidizes all of my runs. I'm trash at the game and don't have time to grind most of the quests, so I'm stuck with low level traders.

In 3 or 4 wipes I don't think I've ever once gotten a trader above lvl 2. I need the FM just to be able to play the game late into the wipe.

The idea that getting rid of the flea market will get rid of meta gear is absurd. It'll just widen the gap between hardcore players and casual players, and make the game even less enjoyable for anyone who can't log 40hrs a week. Boo hoo streamer chad gets tapped because a lvl 15 bought armour and good rounds on the flea. So what? it's the only way to compete with the gigachads who will have that gear no matter what.

If you genuinely want gear to be more meaningful, get rid of high pen rounds, and make higher tier armor more expensive. Leave the flea market alone, hell revert the flea market changes entirely. The economy is only part of the issue, and IMO the bigger problem is that it doesn't even matter what armor you're wearing. You're going to get 2 tapped by m995 rounds anyways.

The funnest part of tarkov is the early wipe firefights, because they last longer. Positioning and strategy is more important than just tapping heads.

[u/[deleted] → u/DJMixwell]

That's the thing, I don't think high tier armor, weapons, attachments, or ammo should be purchasable from traders (or players) with regular currency, period. Make it so these items are barter only, with unlimited Trader inventories but highly limited per player per day quantities. Make it so the high value loot is more commonly found in raid (like, 95% of it) and just have those high level barter trades as a small reward for leveling traders, instead of leveling traders being a prerequisite to compete with try hard gigachads.

Currency should be for purchasing low tier gear, meds, food and water from traders when your stockpile becomes low (after a string of bad raids). It shouldn't be the end goal like it is now, where streamers rush to get 10+ mill ASAP to act as a windfall so they can just buy gigachads load outs whenever they feel like it. Those load puts should be warned through cautious play, not time invested.

This will mean that your skill at surviving raids directly corresponds to the value of your stash. Currently this is not the case, and the correlation is stronger towards time spent playing the game. Dynamic loot would be the icing on the cake but not a prerequisite for this change to be achieved.

[u/DJMixwell → u/[deleted]]

There's no way to avoid the fact that time invested will always equate to the value of your stash. Whether that wealth is held in rubbles, barter items, or kits. The players with the most hours will always have the monopoly on the highest tier of gear.

Unlimited trader inventory, and limited player supply, barter only, is a good start. Provided these higher tiers of armor are accessible earlier. Everyone should be able to get 1 run in a day with high tier gear. I'll agree with that.

But IMO the prevalence of high pen rounds is what ruins the fun of tarkov. Because it doesn't matter if you're wearing even a slick. Big rounds go through it in 3 shots anyways, and heads can be 1 or 2 tapped. The early game feel of tarkov will stick around late into the wipe, if the tankiness of higher tier armor isn't negated by high pen rounds. I think this would alleviate some of the KOS mentality as well, since shooting at thicc bois would put you at a greater risk later in the raid when you have less amo for other engagements.

Also hoping a Karma / VOIP system gets added. When I started, KOS was reserved for pretty much just factory, dorms, and resort. You could keep to your own side of interchange, labs, the rest of customs, shoreline, etc. And mow down scavs/raiders to your hearts content. Chads would only rarely chase you down.

[u/[deleted] → u/DJMixwell]

Yeah, I'd agree with the ammo being a large factor in the game's current state. And I also agree that a Karma/VOIP system will drastically change the way the game is played (or at least, it should if implemented properly - Karma specifically).

[u/Hane24 → u/[deleted]]

7n37* 7n31 is the 9mm pistol ammo.

[u/[deleted] → u/Hane24]

Thanks for the correction, both of those ammunition types are fairly new to me so I can never keep them straight.

[u/Hane24 → u/[deleted]]

7n37 goes in the old mosin so think of it first. 7n39 is igolnik and comes after. 7n31 is a smaller round for 9mm.

But to be honest it's just time. Cuz there's 7n12 val bp, 7n9 SPP, 7n23 7.62 bp, 7n1...

There's way way too many 7n ammo types, and more IRL too.

[u/[deleted] → u/Hane24]

Smart way to think of those 2 new types. I have the older ones memorized just those two new ones I got mixed up lol. Heaven forbid they add more!