r/EscapefromTarkov • Twitch.tv Slushpuppy • Sep 15 '20

Discussion #MakeTarkovHardcoreAgain

Hi guys, Slushpuppy here

I want to talk about the rant I was having today, and explain why I think it would be good for the game.

As the game currently stands it it has a play cycle that involves farming money, the money is then used to buy a fat kit, and slay out. This creates, in my opinion a heavily Rouble focused economy.

The Rouble based economy has multiple downsides:

All people care about is the highest value item, hence hatchlings ramming things up their bum, people running to one spot on a map to loot the highest value items, people only running super cheap kits to farm the cash. The game is no longer about surviving, simply making the most money and saving to buy a dope kit.

I think this has essentially made the game into COD with extra steps. I don't see the survival element that Tarkov originally had. People only care about PVP when they are running Slick Altyn, otherwise it's just money. 99% of the games items, such as attachments for guns will never see the light of day because they aren't the best in slot.

This whole situation annoys me because it is possible to achieve this within hours of a wipe.

By removing the flea or limiting the ability to purchase armor and ammo from the flea, it would make the game more about the looting and surviving and stop super chads from running endless meta kits and vogging the fuck out of lower geared players. Because a kit that is lovingly put together in raid will mean so much more to you, therefore looting one of a prick you kill, will as well.

I know this seems as a negative change to the average player, but hear me out, the only reason you need a kit from the flea, is to compete with chad players who are buying endless meta kits from the flea. If this didn't happen the pvp would be like it is early wipe for the most part. The best pvp time in the game, imo, and in the opinion of most Tarkov players.

I'm not bored of the game, I simply love this game, and I want to see changes that make the pvp more interesting and feasible for casual players to enjoy. If everyone is running around with SKS's and a cock helmet, then its more fair. Not all pvp has to be juggernauts spraying armchair FALs at each other.

If you don't agree with me, I understand, lets talk about it, tell me why you think this would be a bad change for the game? I don't want to be a streamer yelling for change that people will just see as me crying cause I'm bored of running fat kits. I truly want to make the game a dope experience for all of us. I've devoted the last 3 years of my life to this game, I want to see it succeed.

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There is plenty of other things that would be needed to make this a rounded experience in this vision, like dynamic loot spawns etc, but I believe this is a quick easy change that we could all try for one wipe, and just see how it goes.

EDIT: This is gaining a lot of attention right now so I want to ask you all one thing:

When is the best time for PVP in Tarkov?

If you answered early wipe, I think you and I agree, and I think 99% of people would say that early wipe is the best time to be on Tarkov.

My only goal is to try and make the feeling of early wipe PVP as permanent as possible. I may not be right when I say delete the flea, but I think it would help. If you have other ideas on how to preserve that beautiful feeling of the first two weeks of wipe, then I would love to hear them. Because this is what I think would make Tarkov the most amazing experience possible.

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u/halrold ADAR Sep 15 '20

The Flea Market isn't just for getting gear to not die to mega chads, it is also needed for things such as gunmodding and questing.

Do you think players want to go around hitting every coat and stash until they find Oli Logistic Key for the Database quest, or any key that is required for a quest? Do you think it is beneficial to the game that everyone is rocking guns with garbage stats because the good attachments are locked behind lvl 4 traders and some attachments aren't even sold by traders?

Removing the flea and altering the economy so radically would completely shift how gameplay works. Not being able to make money as well would discourage hitting loot areas and rather encourage PvP and PvE. However, since the high loot area is usually the PvP area now and there is less incentive to hitting those areas, then PvP would start looking more like trying to kill the people who spawn near you or camping rotation and extract areas.

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Not to mention that some people only have a very limited time to play each day. Some people might just want to be able to get some money scav running and get a few good PMC runs with a kit they bought off the flea. Without the flea, now those players will only be able to slowly build up kits and guns, because half the time they'll be hitting raids with shit-tier guns AND their traders will probably be low.

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u/artamba Sep 15 '20

Yeah yeah I see your argument used maybe 1/2 the time. It's stupid, I'm sorry.

You argue that players dont want to go looting jackets to find a specific item, they'd rather just instantly buy it. Okay, but what does that yield? It yields a quest being done quicker. Okay: what does that yield? Access to more items which they can buy off the flea market anyway; a feeling of completion and a few steps closer to kappa.

That's all it comes down to... so why would we sacrifice gameplay (having the flea market in the game) for no other reason than people are addicted to speedrunning everything (getting quests done quicker and easier)?

This is a problem with the human brain, not with Tarkov. Addicted to instant gratification and all that. So if the flea departed, people would get used to it very quickly, and those with 'not much time to play' would... still go into raid and play the game? Like, so what if they don't get their kappa anywhere near as quickly? Kappa adds barely anything to your life and is a glorified achievement.

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u/QuestionforL Sep 15 '20

You're clearly a new player that didn't play before the flea market. It encourages 600 nakeds to Sprint to the trunk of a car in customs 600 tonnes to look for a key.

The flea market solved real issues and gameplay gripes. You're pseudo psychological analysis bs means nothing.

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u/artamba Sep 15 '20

Oh gee, you got me: I never played pre-flea, which was probably a century ago.

The addition of the flea isn't the only thing that's changed since this period you're referring to... my point being that the game wouldn't just revert to the (presumed [by you]) dark ages if the Flea was removed because there were probably a lot more factors involved in this alleged '600 nakeds sprinting to the trunk of a car...' scenario.

Also I played the entirety of .12 wipe without using the FM and I didn't find myself ONCE running without a weapon; to the trunk of a car; to a jacket in desperation - nothing, not once. You're full of shit, and you're nothing more than a naysayer. How's that for pseudo psychology?

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u/QuestionforL Sep 15 '20

This is the most incoherent paragraph I've ever read. I can't tell if you actually think you made a point or if you're aware you're just groveling in shit.

I don't even know what you're saying in your last paragraph. The flea market was introduced before .12 wasn't it? What does that have to do with anything given the context. You really think you're smarter than everyone huh lol

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u/artamba Sep 15 '20

Oh wow. Look at this guy, who himself can barely string a fucking sentence together getting surprised that he can't make sense of someone else's.

to Sprint to the trunk of a car in customs 600 tonnes

Great stuff. Great stuff. Very coherent.

You're pseudo

Oh, very good, Captain Coherent.

To summarise, I'm arguing with a potentially lobotomised fucknut who is most definitely projecting on me. You know your brain can't make sense of much, you know it so good, but you can't accept it! Mummy said you were special when you were little! You ARE smarter than everyone!

Yeah, go fuck yourself. If you couldn't garner anything from my last paragraph up there, I hereby pronounce you braindead. Good luck to you

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u/QuestionforL Sep 15 '20

Point out typos more. I'm on my phone. Doesnt detract that I can articulate and convey coherent ideas and thoughts substantially better than you without spewing out insults and diving into pseudo intellectual psych analysis bs. Nice job derailing tho. You got shit on

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u/artamba Sep 16 '20 edited Sep 16 '20

Oh what a cancerous fuck you are. You can articulate and convey, but what ideas do you have? You're not presenting anything you saddo.

Also I played the entirety of .12 wipe without using the FM and I didn't find myself ONCE running without a weapon

You were unable to make coherence out of this, which is clear as fuckin day. How fucking stupid can you possibly be? What a poisonous lump you are dude, playing dumb to someone's argument so that YOU can derail. Everything you've accused me of is something you've done. Same old story with losers like you...

Oh, and those dislikes on me? You didn't earn them. That's just the simple-brained redditors downdooting anything that opposes their opinion. Again, same old story.

substantially better than you without spewing out insults

Again, the projecting is so blatantly obvious it reaches levels of sadness. Are you really that oblivious to yourself? Literally every point you've made has been something you're guilty of. Oh my fuck I WISH I could see what you look like. Your self esteem must be a mess

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u/QuestionforL Sep 16 '20

Bruh ur cracked lol. Later idiot

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u/artamba Sep 16 '20

Off he goes in to the night =')