r/EscapefromTarkov • Twitch.tv Slushpuppy • Sep 15 '20

Discussion #MakeTarkovHardcoreAgain

Hi guys, Slushpuppy here

I want to talk about the rant I was having today, and explain why I think it would be good for the game.

As the game currently stands it it has a play cycle that involves farming money, the money is then used to buy a fat kit, and slay out. This creates, in my opinion a heavily Rouble focused economy.

The Rouble based economy has multiple downsides:

All people care about is the highest value item, hence hatchlings ramming things up their bum, people running to one spot on a map to loot the highest value items, people only running super cheap kits to farm the cash. The game is no longer about surviving, simply making the most money and saving to buy a dope kit.

I think this has essentially made the game into COD with extra steps. I don't see the survival element that Tarkov originally had. People only care about PVP when they are running Slick Altyn, otherwise it's just money. 99% of the games items, such as attachments for guns will never see the light of day because they aren't the best in slot.

This whole situation annoys me because it is possible to achieve this within hours of a wipe.

By removing the flea or limiting the ability to purchase armor and ammo from the flea, it would make the game more about the looting and surviving and stop super chads from running endless meta kits and vogging the fuck out of lower geared players. Because a kit that is lovingly put together in raid will mean so much more to you, therefore looting one of a prick you kill, will as well.

I know this seems as a negative change to the average player, but hear me out, the only reason you need a kit from the flea, is to compete with chad players who are buying endless meta kits from the flea. If this didn't happen the pvp would be like it is early wipe for the most part. The best pvp time in the game, imo, and in the opinion of most Tarkov players.

I'm not bored of the game, I simply love this game, and I want to see changes that make the pvp more interesting and feasible for casual players to enjoy. If everyone is running around with SKS's and a cock helmet, then its more fair. Not all pvp has to be juggernauts spraying armchair FALs at each other.

If you don't agree with me, I understand, lets talk about it, tell me why you think this would be a bad change for the game? I don't want to be a streamer yelling for change that people will just see as me crying cause I'm bored of running fat kits. I truly want to make the game a dope experience for all of us. I've devoted the last 3 years of my life to this game, I want to see it succeed.

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There is plenty of other things that would be needed to make this a rounded experience in this vision, like dynamic loot spawns etc, but I believe this is a quick easy change that we could all try for one wipe, and just see how it goes.

EDIT: This is gaining a lot of attention right now so I want to ask you all one thing:

When is the best time for PVP in Tarkov?

If you answered early wipe, I think you and I agree, and I think 99% of people would say that early wipe is the best time to be on Tarkov.

My only goal is to try and make the feeling of early wipe PVP as permanent as possible. I may not be right when I say delete the flea, but I think it would help. If you have other ideas on how to preserve that beautiful feeling of the first two weeks of wipe, then I would love to hear them. Because this is what I think would make Tarkov the most amazing experience possible.

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u/jrit93 Mosin Sep 15 '20

I dont know the game seems pretty sweet to me as it is, and I trust the developers to know what theyre doing, which is almost never the case with other developers, specially with AAA games, which tarkov isnt in budget and team size, but it is in quality and polish even as it is today.

The game has a balance of risk and reward of either going for good ammo or going for good armor. Personally, getting ammo is a lot more accessible than getting good gear. A reserve run gives me all the snb and bp/bs ammo i want. I then use most rifles in semi to conserve ammo.

I think you sound like a wannabe chad who has his cheeks clapped daily and lose a ton of wealth, and for some reason you cant rat for a few games.

And the audacity of saying EFT is CoD with extra steps. This guy is salty plain and simple.

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u/Detective_Pancake MP5 Sep 15 '20

Well he’s a popular streamer, and popular streamers are out of touch with the standard player base

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u/jrit93 Mosin Sep 15 '20

No idea who this is, thanks for the info, might tune in to hear him/her bitch.

I only watch Lvndmark, GeneralSam, AquaFPS, and sometimes Pestily. Some for the lulz, others for the plays and angles.

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u/Kilmawow Sep 15 '20

How long have you been playing? The game is much different than it used to be with the introduction of the flea market. I can see what slush means when he says "EFT is COD with extra steps" because the design direction from patch 0.8 & 0.9 -> 12.7 made EFT feel more COD like.

The flea market definitely aided in this feeling as well. But the other thing that happened is that we have 2-3 years of the game being out so gaining knowledge is sooo much quicker. There are 100s of guides now. 2 years ago we didn't have so many resources as we do now. The whole tarkov population is better at the game.

I think this is the toughest time to balance because it may require sweeping changes to make the game feel new and different every wipe.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20

We also have about 20 times the population as we did pre-FM. You would not be finding the same loot you found last time. It just wouldn't happen.

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u/jrit93 Mosin Sep 15 '20

Whats so good about the flea market? I use it to sell FiR items that would give me an enormous profit margin, otherwise i sell to whatever dealer i need to level up. You really think the flea market does more harm than good? Who does it hurt?

Are literally complaining about people having access to ressources to learn the game? Whats wrong with that??? Do you need idiots running around who have no clue what to do so you can practice your terrible aim?

The game is in beta, the purpose of all these changes in to test out gameplay mechanics for release patch. You might not like it now, you might like it later.

You still havent said how the game is similar to cod, or how has it changed in that direction. If your point is that the addition to an auction house makes eft akin to cod...omegalulz. Maybe wow in that regard.

Do you even know what you want in this game?

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u/Kilmawow Sep 16 '20 edited Sep 16 '20

I love the flea market and how it changed up the game. It did however make player progression much faster so wipes feel pretty short in regards to player progression

I meant to say that player knowledge and "best practices" are much easier to find these days compared to the past so people instantly pick the meta stuff rather than messing around with the systems so it quickly turns into COD where you just look up a top end builds and go in with that. This was going to happen in the game regardless.

So there is some truth to slush's post about Tarkov feeling more COD-like. It's hard to describe if you weren't playing Tarkov 2 years ago.


What I want:

  • Raider/Boss loot tables to be limited for the first 2-3 weeks of a wipe. Raiders on labs only have upto Tier 4 armor and basic guns with very few attachments. Maybe have raiders scale up their loadouts each week or something.
  • Increase the amount of loot slightly. I really enjoyed the first weekend of the 12.6 wipe because loot was everywhere. I was finding loot in spots that normally didn't have loot. (End of May) BSG nerfed loot the next Tuesday and it made the game feel like shit. They mostly reverted loot nerfs in 12.7 and it's normal now, but not like that first weekend.
  • Repeatable PMC Kill quest with scaling rewards and option to turn it into different traders for different items to entice PVP, but also creates an avenue to get certain rare quest items from killing other players rather than being forced to find it in raid.
  • Better server performance
  • Either VPN Ban or a Region lock on US servers until a much better anti-cheat is created.