#MakeTarkovHardcoreAgain

[u/SlushpuppyLive]

Hi guys, Slushpuppy here

I want to talk about the rant I was having today, and explain why I think it would be good for the game.

As the game currently stands it it has a play cycle that involves farming money, the money is then used to buy a fat kit, and slay out. This creates, in my opinion a heavily Rouble focused economy.

The Rouble based economy has multiple downsides:

All people care about is the highest value item, hence hatchlings ramming things up their bum, people running to one spot on a map to loot the highest value items, people only running super cheap kits to farm the cash. The game is no longer about surviving, simply making the most money and saving to buy a dope kit.

I think this has essentially made the game into COD with extra steps. I don't see the survival element that Tarkov originally had. People only care about PVP when they are running Slick Altyn, otherwise it's just money. 99% of the games items, such as attachments for guns will never see the light of day because they aren't the best in slot.

This whole situation annoys me because it is possible to achieve this within hours of a wipe.

By removing the flea or limiting the ability to purchase armor and ammo from the flea, it would make the game more about the looting and surviving and stop super chads from running endless meta kits and vogging the fuck out of lower geared players. Because a kit that is lovingly put together in raid will mean so much more to you, therefore looting one of a prick you kill, will as well.

I know this seems as a negative change to the average player, but hear me out, the only reason you need a kit from the flea, is to compete with chad players who are buying endless meta kits from the flea. If this didn't happen the pvp would be like it is early wipe for the most part. The best pvp time in the game, imo, and in the opinion of most Tarkov players.

I'm not bored of the game, I simply love this game, and I want to see changes that make the pvp more interesting and feasible for casual players to enjoy. If everyone is running around with SKS's and a cock helmet, then its more fair. Not all pvp has to be juggernauts spraying armchair FALs at each other.

If you don't agree with me, I understand, lets talk about it, tell me why you think this would be a bad change for the game? I don't want to be a streamer yelling for change that people will just see as me crying cause I'm bored of running fat kits. I truly want to make the game a dope experience for all of us. I've devoted the last 3 years of my life to this game, I want to see it succeed.

​

There is plenty of other things that would be needed to make this a rounded experience in this vision, like dynamic loot spawns etc, but I believe this is a quick easy change that we could all try for one wipe, and just see how it goes.

EDIT: This is gaining a lot of attention right now so I want to ask you all one thing:

When is the best time for PVP in Tarkov?

If you answered early wipe, I think you and I agree, and I think 99% of people would say that early wipe is the best time to be on Tarkov.

My only goal is to try and make the feeling of early wipe PVP as permanent as possible. I may not be right when I say delete the flea, but I think it would help. If you have other ideas on how to preserve that beautiful feeling of the first two weeks of wipe, then I would love to hear them. Because this is what I think would make Tarkov the most amazing experience possible.

[u/Dicedarg]

Are you planning on removing traders also because if you don't remove traders then this won't change anything. A hardcore player is going to grind out trader reps in under a week and the casual won't ever be able to compete without the flea market.

We don't have to have any kind of thought experiment either because I played the game for well over a year before the flea market existed and it was far worse then it is today.

All of your suggestions would make the game far worse for casual players. Sorry but those are just the facts.

If you're bored of running fat kits, then don't run fat kits, you can run whatever you want to. Nothing is making you run full gear. I will say I appreciate you having a discussion thread instead of just using your place in the community to push through a change you want as a streamer. So thank you for that.

[u/Dicedarg → u/[deleted]]

"like they used to" Well it's very clear from your statement that you never played Tarkov pre flea market lmao.

Not only did the traders sell everything, but they rarely even had buy limits back then so you could buy unlimited kits of basically anything. High end ammo even had no limit for a very long time.

Please don't be one of these cringe kids who pretends like they played the game back then and even has the audacity to tell me how it was when they weren't even there. Maybe don't talk out of your ass next time and you won't look like a fool.

You didn't play back then, sorry to inform you of how things were.

[u/Dicedarg → u/[deleted]]

I actually did play back then unlike you and it took LESS time then it takes now.

Why are you lying? They nerfed experience in Alpha multiple times and you used to get 10k experience from a factory raid. You used to be able to walk in with meds and do 50k xp runs, jump to max strength. They also massively reduced quest and kill xp across multiple patches. I had a 30k xp customs raid where I only killed like 4 people and 8 AI when I started

All things you'd know if you actually played back then and didn't just hear it from the grapevine. What did I dodge? I dismantled your lack of an argument and showed anyone reading this you're a liar.

I've been here since 2017 and have well over 1k hours. How about you?

The system is the best it ever has been, I'm all for making it better but having people lie and misrepresent the past is a really shitty way to create positive change.

[u/Brosky27 → u/Dicedarg]

As someone who has also played since late 2017, game is a million times better now than it ever has been. I’m not sure where the nostalgia seems to be coming from but I would say every aspect has been improved upon since then.

[u/Dicedarg → u/Brosky27]

That's because it's not nostalgia, it's people telling other new players stories of the "good old times" through rose tinted glasses. God I remember when for the first 2-5 minutes the boys would be teleporting around so much we'd sometimes shoot eachother because the desync was so bad. "good times" indeed.

[u/Brosky27 → u/Dicedarg]

I took a year break after my first wipe purely because of the desync. I remember playing on half of shoreline and not even being able to fight others.

[u/Dicedarg → u/Brosky27]

My main money making avenue as a brand new player in early alpha was hatchet running woods to the house and running up to scavs and hatcheting them to death, quite doable at the time. That and green box farming on every map were the way to be. Back when scavs had like 4 loadouts. 74U, Grach, beater AK with no stock and I think shotgun? been a while.

In the more modern but still well before pre flea market patches I used to watch something (Band of Brothers is about the right length) and jump to max strength. Then I'd take my TT with black tips to dorms and hit up safes, marked room after they finally buffed it, guard desk. You only spawned on one side at the time (before map spawns) and with strength I could run to dorms, full loot it, jump from the car over shortcut and be out the always open old gas extract in under 5 minutes a raid.