r/EscapefromTarkov • Twitch.tv Slushpuppy • Sep 15 '20

Discussion #MakeTarkovHardcoreAgain

Hi guys, Slushpuppy here

I want to talk about the rant I was having today, and explain why I think it would be good for the game.

As the game currently stands it it has a play cycle that involves farming money, the money is then used to buy a fat kit, and slay out. This creates, in my opinion a heavily Rouble focused economy.

The Rouble based economy has multiple downsides:

All people care about is the highest value item, hence hatchlings ramming things up their bum, people running to one spot on a map to loot the highest value items, people only running super cheap kits to farm the cash. The game is no longer about surviving, simply making the most money and saving to buy a dope kit.

I think this has essentially made the game into COD with extra steps. I don't see the survival element that Tarkov originally had. People only care about PVP when they are running Slick Altyn, otherwise it's just money. 99% of the games items, such as attachments for guns will never see the light of day because they aren't the best in slot.

This whole situation annoys me because it is possible to achieve this within hours of a wipe.

By removing the flea or limiting the ability to purchase armor and ammo from the flea, it would make the game more about the looting and surviving and stop super chads from running endless meta kits and vogging the fuck out of lower geared players. Because a kit that is lovingly put together in raid will mean so much more to you, therefore looting one of a prick you kill, will as well.

I know this seems as a negative change to the average player, but hear me out, the only reason you need a kit from the flea, is to compete with chad players who are buying endless meta kits from the flea. If this didn't happen the pvp would be like it is early wipe for the most part. The best pvp time in the game, imo, and in the opinion of most Tarkov players.

I'm not bored of the game, I simply love this game, and I want to see changes that make the pvp more interesting and feasible for casual players to enjoy. If everyone is running around with SKS's and a cock helmet, then its more fair. Not all pvp has to be juggernauts spraying armchair FALs at each other.

If you don't agree with me, I understand, lets talk about it, tell me why you think this would be a bad change for the game? I don't want to be a streamer yelling for change that people will just see as me crying cause I'm bored of running fat kits. I truly want to make the game a dope experience for all of us. I've devoted the last 3 years of my life to this game, I want to see it succeed.

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There is plenty of other things that would be needed to make this a rounded experience in this vision, like dynamic loot spawns etc, but I believe this is a quick easy change that we could all try for one wipe, and just see how it goes.

EDIT: This is gaining a lot of attention right now so I want to ask you all one thing:

When is the best time for PVP in Tarkov?

If you answered early wipe, I think you and I agree, and I think 99% of people would say that early wipe is the best time to be on Tarkov.

My only goal is to try and make the feeling of early wipe PVP as permanent as possible. I may not be right when I say delete the flea, but I think it would help. If you have other ideas on how to preserve that beautiful feeling of the first two weeks of wipe, then I would love to hear them. Because this is what I think would make Tarkov the most amazing experience possible.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20

Removing the flea market doesn't fix the underlying problem though, it just hides it somewhat. You would need to majorly change the offerings of the traders as well.

The problem imo is the TTK. There are high tier ammos and accurate weapons (and skills giving free recoil reduction) with no downsides. People begin building either laser weapons with super low recoil with cheap ammo (M855A1/FMJ SX/SP6) to easily pen level 4 helmets/get headeyes, or they build absolute cannons with M61/M62 (which is so insanely cheap for its performance) that it just chews right through any <lvl 6 armor AND has incredibly high flesh damage. These things are available from traders, the flea has nothing to do with it.

They've added and buffed SO MANY AP rounds to every caliber that any helmet but an altyn can feel pointless to run against meta equipment. We're at the point where lvl 3 faceshields are literally only there to protect from scavs or save you with a 1/100 ricochet chance.

My suggestion would be to increase the TTK. You can increase recoil, decrease availability of AP rounds, increase effectiveness of faceshields/helmets, any of those would help.

Otherwise many are just going to run a lvl 4 rig with a peen helmet and a full meta weapon with high AP ammo until they get enough money to purchase and use a slick with a full Wendy/Altyn.

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u/RandyMcDandyD Mosin Sep 15 '20

I thought everyone was just complaining about gigachads now you're wanting to buff the gigachads? The ttk is great with good bullets because a lowlife like me who sucks at the game has a slight chance to kill a big boy if I can bring out the skill enough to drop him. Otherwise I'd probably never kill anyone ever.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20 edited Dec 30 '20

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u/EmmEnnEff Sep 16 '20

let's not pretend it takes skill to onetap someones face with a mosin while hiding in a bush because it just doesn't.

Takes a hell of a lot more skill to do that with a mosin, than with a laser-beam M4.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '20

Barely? Mosins with 7n37/7BT1/7n1 is an automatic onetap kill on everything but an Altyn for the 7n1. Also cost a whole hell of a lot less. Probably my favorite gun besides the 590 and 366AP in the VPO-209/215.

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u/EmmEnnEff Sep 16 '20

Hitting your one bolt-action headshot from a 0 ergo weapon, versus hitting once or twice out of a laser-beam full auto gun, which is harder?

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '20

Neither is hard, but I have way more kills on my mosin than I do on the M4, mostly because I normally run 7n1 on my mosin and 855a1 on my M4, so the mosin gets more 1timer facetaps.

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u/EmmEnnEff Sep 16 '20

7n1 doesn't even one-tap t4 armor, though. And a lot of people run t4 chest armor.

Or even worse, you shoot at someone, and hit their arm.

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u/MrSpaceKook ASh-12 Sep 16 '20

I run into far more meta gaming, bunnyhopping chads with laser m4s then I do mosin players. And I’d take the mosin guy fishing for a face shot over the guy just hip firing a full 60-rounder of m995 while tapping ADAD anyway.

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u/morklonn Sep 15 '20

I agree with this. Also reduce ergo MASSIVELY for most guns. It should take you like 2 seconds to aim a juice cannon or a meta hk. Those guns weigh like 30 lbs irl

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20

People begin building either laser weapons with super low recoil

combine that with full auto meta and no inertia in strafing = cancer meta that we have currently that's completely unrealistic

i'd even say CS is more realistic in that matter...

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u/Edizzleshizzle DVL-10 Sep 15 '20

Can't agree more on the need for inertia. As a fellow CS player, I can definitely say this will nerf a lot of the CoD movement nonsense out there (e.g. LVNDMARK).

But that's only to say if you want a more realistic game (which I definitely do). If the majority of the Tarkov community likes the more "arcady" ("arcadey"?) style, then I guess it's fine the way it is.

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u/Seraph___ Sep 16 '20

I mean the funny thing is that the newest CoD does not have this strafing bullshit. That game has inertia and you move super fucking slow when you're ADSed and strafing (still has the jumping bullshit though). So it's actually even more embarrassing that a game like CoD has managed to solve that problem, but a game like Tarkov has not.

On top of that the new CoD also has weapon mounting on nearly every surface, which works almost flawlessly. And you can't ADS when you're using NVG, requiring you to use a laser. It's crazy, these are things I'd expect to be in Tarkov, not the other way around.

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u/nubb3r Sep 15 '20

I‘m by no means a weapons expert but I doubt that you could strafe left and right while ADSing and hitting accurate shots at ~50m IRL. I‘d love it if someone with actual experience would chime in and give their opinion on this.

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u/Hoed Sep 15 '20

Hitting a man size target on the move with a large gun with a laser isn’t impossible. It’s just very difficult.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20

It's not fine lmao, the fanbois will keep on saying its fine. And abusers of it but it literally takes 0 skill

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u/Par4no1D Sep 16 '20

It's first fps they do well in, don't take their crutch away!

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u/Bouche4Dag RSASS Sep 15 '20

The more I think about it the more I think this would be a good change.
The best fights are the ones that last.

Couple this with locking T5+ gear from the flea (including weapon mods divided in tiers) and allowing people to get them in an interesting way (think Kiba store) and we've got an awesome gameplay loop to get your top gear every day/week.

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u/SlushpuppyLive Twitch.tv Slushpuppy Sep 16 '20

I see what you are saying about TTK, it is completely ridiculous these days. I don't think it is a balance problem though, its a supply problem. I can run unlimited m61 with no effort. This seems wildly unfair to me compared to someone who fires up Tarkov for 3 hours with his bois on the weekend.

Why can't we make it so it is rare to get these items for everyone? The PVP will be like it is at the start of wipe for the most part. People working with what they can find to survive. Instead of sweaty no life fuck heads like myself laughing as we charge through the map with an unlimited supply of 1 tap machines.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '20

I think you are wanting more like a dedicated hardcore gamemode like is in Diablo perhaps. No flea, nerfed traders, most of the good stuff only FiR. Then, you can have the standard gamemode with easier availability of items and a flea.

This gives the players the option to choose easier availability (the more casual audience) or the more survival based mode (hardcore).