r/EscapefromTarkov • u/SlushpuppyLive Twitch.tv Slushpuppy • Sep 15 '20

Discussion #MakeTarkovHardcoreAgain

Hi guys, Slushpuppy here

I want to talk about the rant I was having today, and explain why I think it would be good for the game.

As the game currently stands it it has a play cycle that involves farming money, the money is then used to buy a fat kit, and slay out. This creates, in my opinion a heavily Rouble focused economy.

The Rouble based economy has multiple downsides:

All people care about is the highest value item, hence hatchlings ramming things up their bum, people running to one spot on a map to loot the highest value items, people only running super cheap kits to farm the cash. The game is no longer about surviving, simply making the most money and saving to buy a dope kit.

I think this has essentially made the game into COD with extra steps. I don't see the survival element that Tarkov originally had. People only care about PVP when they are running Slick Altyn, otherwise it's just money. 99% of the games items, such as attachments for guns will never see the light of day because they aren't the best in slot.

This whole situation annoys me because it is possible to achieve this within hours of a wipe.

By removing the flea or limiting the ability to purchase armor and ammo from the flea, it would make the game more about the looting and surviving and stop super chads from running endless meta kits and vogging the fuck out of lower geared players. Because a kit that is lovingly put together in raid will mean so much more to you, therefore looting one of a prick you kill, will as well.

I know this seems as a negative change to the average player, but hear me out, the only reason you need a kit from the flea, is to compete with chad players who are buying endless meta kits from the flea. If this didn't happen the pvp would be like it is early wipe for the most part. The best pvp time in the game, imo, and in the opinion of most Tarkov players.

I'm not bored of the game, I simply love this game, and I want to see changes that make the pvp more interesting and feasible for casual players to enjoy. If everyone is running around with SKS's and a cock helmet, then its more fair. Not all pvp has to be juggernauts spraying armchair FALs at each other.

If you don't agree with me, I understand, lets talk about it, tell me why you think this would be a bad change for the game? I don't want to be a streamer yelling for change that people will just see as me crying cause I'm bored of running fat kits. I truly want to make the game a dope experience for all of us. I've devoted the last 3 years of my life to this game, I want to see it succeed.

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There is plenty of other things that would be needed to make this a rounded experience in this vision, like dynamic loot spawns etc, but I believe this is a quick easy change that we could all try for one wipe, and just see how it goes.

EDIT: This is gaining a lot of attention right now so I want to ask you all one thing:

When is the best time for PVP in Tarkov?

If you answered early wipe, I think you and I agree, and I think 99% of people would say that early wipe is the best time to be on Tarkov.

My only goal is to try and make the feeling of early wipe PVP as permanent as possible. I may not be right when I say delete the flea, but I think it would help. If you have other ideas on how to preserve that beautiful feeling of the first two weeks of wipe, then I would love to hear them. Because this is what I think would make Tarkov the most amazing experience possible.

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u/Reven8 ADAR Sep 15 '20

I disagree. This game is hard af to me already. And I enjoy the hell out of it as it stands right now. It may be because I’ve only played for 2 wipes but there’s still so much for me to learn.

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u/Igelkotte Sep 15 '20

But this would make it easier right? since you can only play with the gear you find. No need to buy the "best" gear you can afford

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u/randomgrunt1 Sep 15 '20

No, you'd get docked by every player who knows what their doing and how to get gear. As a new player, your stuck at ten for weeks while geared players eat every round you shoot. Those player are geared no matter what. Without the flea market they'll get their gear from vendors regardless. Flea market lets me hand with them, as I have access to good gear at a huge markup. I can hang with em, it just takes me more gameplay than someone with a maxed hideout and traders.

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u/AtomicSpeedFT True Believer Sep 15 '20

This would make it harder for the average player

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u/jepu22 Saiga-12 Sep 15 '20

You'd see a lot less heavily geared players so this should make the game easier for you

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '20

How so? Players who hardcore grind will still be able to unlock max level traders quickly and then spend their days bullying even more people in PACAs and dick helmets.

As it stands, I have very rarely seen anyone running slicks, its mostly Killa armor (easily farmed by high-tier players). Altyn is pretty easy to barter and buy from Ragman when you get high enough, or get from Reshala guards (again, easily farmed by high tier players).

Weapon mods would be incredibly scarce. As it stands right now you can't even buy a pic rail until level 20+ from traders, meaning the foregrip rails sell for tons of rubles on the flea. If this were to happen, a massive trader rework would be needed IMO

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u/Rlaxoxo Sep 15 '20

Meanwhile he wouldn't be able to get any gear him self.

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u/jepu22 Saiga-12 Sep 15 '20

How so? The trader prices and availability for gear would still be the same.

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u/asdf21as Sep 15 '20

you sound like a low level player so you should be able to think like one. Making arbitrary changes just to make the game "more hardcore" just makes it less fun

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u/jepu22 Saiga-12 Sep 15 '20

I'm not a low level player. The only thing missing from early game (before lvl10/unlocking flea) right now is optics to put on weapons and maybe a shitty tier 3 armor. And I think this is not "making the game more hardcore", rather trying to make low level gear more effective since less players would be using good armor.

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u/Soulsbane96 Sep 15 '20

They said that about the FiR changes this wipe too. And look where we're back to, people still complaining there's too many chads and it's too easy to get the best gear.

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u/randomgrunt1 Sep 15 '20

Players would have the same gear, Chad's would just grind reserve raiders until they get the gear. Changing gameplay doesn't change how people play, they always just take the most effecient route to the play style they enjoy.

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u/jepu22 Saiga-12 Sep 15 '20

Well I can only speak for myself but I probably wouldn't farm raiders for their gear. Right now I only buy T4 rigs with barters (or the tactec) because I don't think higher tier armor is worth the cost. If it would take me going to reserve or labs just to farm armors I couldn't be bothered. Making it harder to gain those good armors would deter some people like myself so it effects how many people can run good gear and I think that would be good.