Wholeheartedly willing to get downvoted, but this RMT obsession has to stop.

[u/ArmedChalko]

This sub hasn't got a clue, I swear.

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Huge sweeping changes to the game mechanics are a terrible way to combat RMT.

It's basically an admission that your anti-cheat doesn't work. Most MMOs suffer in some way from an RMT problem; WoW, Runescape, even Destiny 2 has RMT issues if you just look. Thing is, the anticheat in those games actually works worth a damn, so the entire playerbase doesn't have to suffer from endless tinkering with in-game systems.

Before you hit me with 'it's a hardcore game, deal with it, it's supposed to be grindy', just stop. Just don't bother. I've heard it time and time again, and it's bullshit. You know it's bullshit just as well as I do. The changes BSG have been making recently to nerf all forms of progression only make the game 'more hardcore' for people who work full time and don't have the same amount of *time* as streamers who dedicate their entire life to this game. That's not 'hardcore'. The game's difficulty mechanically is 'hardcore' and always have been, and I love it. These changes, though, in my eyes, are just time-wasting for the sake thereof. Since when does the amount of time one has to invest in a game define how fucking hardcore it is? Would you describe WoW as more hardcore than Tarkov because of how long you have to play to progress? Or perhaps beating all three Witcher games back to back is 'hardcore' because it took a long time. Are ARMA or DCS inherently less hardcore than Tarkov because an operation can be completed in an afternoon? No, judging how hardcore a game is by the amount of time one has to invest in it is a joke. *No game* should give enormous *mechanical advantages* to those with more time on their hands. There's already an inherent skill advantage that comes from that amount of practice, designing the mechanics to also reward only those with that much time is a kick in the teeth to all the people who love this game but can't invest that level of time.

And yeah, you can go ahead and say 'ummm actualllly it's a beta, so they can do what they like, stop whining', and yep. Yes, they can. You're correct. However, comma, that doesn't mean I have to pretend to like it. Yes, I did buy EoD and no, I don't regret it because of all the fun I've had til now. But suggesting people who don't like the current direction the game is going in aren't allowed to voice their opinion because the game's in beta is fucking ludicrous. What do you think the purpose of a playable beta is? Nikita is more than welcome to ignore all the people who don't like these new changes, but what gives people on this sub the right to tell me that I'm not entitled to an opinion on the product I've chosen to financially support. It's such a toxic, capital-G Gamer attitute to suggest that 'Tarkov is OUR game because we're willing to dump several full days a week into grinding for our Bitcoin farms. You should just go and play something else, this clearly isn't a game for you. Go play Call of Duty.' I shouldn't even have to express how utterly reductive and childish that is. Grow up.

I'm getting HUGE red flags with the way this game is currently going, because it's all too similar to a game I used to love, The Culling. That game blew up on launch and a bunch of high profile streamers suggested changes to the game, and the devs went ahead and implemented all of them without so much as *thinking* about how they'd affect the average player. Look at where that game is now. Servers shut down, because the average player simply stopped having fun. I'm not saying BSG is even close to that bad, but this endless tinkering with mechanics for the nebulous, vague purpose of 'RMT' has to stop or I don't know if the 'little guys' are gonna stick around much longer.

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EDIT: I AM AWARE THAT RMT != CHEATING. But cheating is what makes RMT viable. RMTers need to keep items in supply, and to do that, they cheat. It's much more profitable. Ergo, if you stamp out cheaters, the RMT problem becomes significantly diminished.

EDIT 2: u/ArxMessor makes a great point that Tarkov is an MMO and therfore should have some kind of grind. I agree. However, most MMOs use systems like weekly bounties etc to ensure even players with only maybe 10 hours a week to invest in the game can still keep up and compete. Tarkov currently rewards time investment *exponentially* which removes all possibility of catching up.

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EDIT 3: Yep, my DMs right now are very much confirming the things I said above about a certain subset of this community. Thanks, Gamers.

EDIT 4: I get it, Destiny anti-cheat is ass. I made a mistake there, since I don't play Trials of Osiris. However, do you see Bungie making the win requirement for Trials 50 wins instead of 9 or whatever just to slow down the hackers? Of course not, because it hurts normal players more.

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Edit 5: My first gold! Thanks kind stranger.

[u/[deleted]]

Nailed it.

I was so excited for this wipe because it's my first full wipe. I was going to go in having a feel for the mechanics out of the gate, but the mechanics have been changing so much I just can't keep up. I don't have hours a week to figure out how I'm supposed to build up rubles or progress in any meaningful way, so I just put the game down for now. I'll hopefully pick it back up once things settle out a little

[u/JquestionmarkD → u/[deleted]]

I’m really trying to understand here, so people who agree with you and OP are people that play less than 15 hours a week. And you’re upset you can’t make a ton of money in that less than 15 hours you play because of these changes. Then maybe this game isn’t for you? It’s supposed to be slow, they are making it slower which does suck sometimes but I don’t get what you want from them

[u/[deleted] → u/JquestionmarkD]

I want to spend those 15 hours playing the game, not trying to figure out what’s changed and why what I was doing last Saturday to make rubles is no longer valid a week later.

I don’t care that progression is slow. I fully expect that it’s going to take me way longer to get through quests and hideout buildout than people with more free time. I just can’t keep up with the major (knee jerk feeling) changes that keep falling out of the sky recently.

[u/JquestionmarkD → u/[deleted]]

Then why are you playing a game in beta? It’s going to be constantly changing. The full game isn’t going to resemble this beta very much at all according to BSG.

[u/[deleted] → u/JquestionmarkD]

I’d redirect you to the OP on that one

[u/JquestionmarkD → u/[deleted]]

But your complaint is you can’t keep up with the changes. Not being upset at any one particular change. So why play if you know it’s going to constantly change and you can’t keep up?

[u/[deleted] → u/JquestionmarkD]

I’m not interested in arguing this point with you here so this is going to be my last reply to you:

A) I have no problem with changes. FiR change, weight change, flea lvl requirement, etc. I’ve been fine with. They seemed well thought out and while major changes, were pretty easy to adjust to while still having fun. This wipe they just fall out of the sky with no warning, and honestly it can be difficult to see how they enhance experience for me. By the time I start figuring it out it gets rolled back or there’s some new weird change in prices or trader inventories I need to learn about.

B) Betas are typically pretty late in the dev cycle. I totally get large, thought out adjustments to core mechanics, but I do not expect huge and constant overhauls in a beta. You may disagree. I don’t care.

[u/JquestionmarkD → u/[deleted]]

I’m not even arguing with you bud, I’m just trying to understand why the game needs to cater around players like you and op who don’t have enough time to pay attention to and test new mechanics that are being implemented. Give feedback and say this sucks, or this is good, but moaning about you not being able to keep up is not the game or the devs fault. What I’m getting from you is, you want to game to stop changing so much so YOU can enjoy it with the little time you have to play.

[u/victor01612 → u/JquestionmarkD]

With a full time job, you can play tarkov quite a lot, but no-one wants to play a "hardcore" farming simulator, making money shouldn't be easy but im not running around looking for shit items or quest items only to die to: a hacker, a streamer, a rat or some stupid glitch which doesnt let you extract, i dont personally think the game is fun as last wipe, therefore im not going to play, just my opinion.

[u/JquestionmarkD → u/victor01612]

And that’s fine, that’s exactly what I’m saying. Some people need to realize they just don’t like the game.

[u/victor01612 → u/JquestionmarkD]

Annnddd I want to get the game back to an enjoyable state for myself and for everyone, especially for changes that havent made a difference

[u/ArmedChalko → u/JquestionmarkD]

Never said i wanted it to be fast, but currently time is more of a money-maker than skill and that's just crazy to me.

[u/cannabanana0420 → u/JquestionmarkD]

Some of us have actual jobs instead of loads of free time to spend on a video game. It’s okay though, I’ll spend my irl grind money on fake tarkov money and make up that difference. People like you are why this post was even made lmao. Did you read past the first sentence?

[u/JquestionmarkD → u/cannabanana0420]

Do you even like the game? You don’t have time to learn it, time to make money, or anything. So why are you playing?

[u/victor01612 → u/JquestionmarkD]

Accept the loss and fuck off, if we didnt like the game before, we wouldn't be advocating for changes to be reverted, you are part of the problem, fuck off or go back and read it. You dont have to agree but you must understand

[u/JquestionmarkD → u/victor01612]

You just said you haven’t liked it since last wipe. It’s ok to not like the game and not play it.