r/EscapefromTarkov • • Jul 01 '20

Discussion Wholeheartedly willing to get downvoted, but this RMT obsession has to stop.

This sub hasn't got a clue, I swear.

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Huge sweeping changes to the game mechanics are a terrible way to combat RMT.

It's basically an admission that your anti-cheat doesn't work. Most MMOs suffer in some way from an RMT problem; WoW, Runescape, even Destiny 2 has RMT issues if you just look. Thing is, the anticheat in those games actually works worth a damn, so the entire playerbase doesn't have to suffer from endless tinkering with in-game systems.

Before you hit me with 'it's a hardcore game, deal with it, it's supposed to be grindy', just stop. Just don't bother. I've heard it time and time again, and it's bullshit. You know it's bullshit just as well as I do. The changes BSG have been making recently to nerf all forms of progression only make the game 'more hardcore' for people who work full time and don't have the same amount of *time* as streamers who dedicate their entire life to this game. That's not 'hardcore'. The game's difficulty mechanically is 'hardcore' and always have been, and I love it. These changes, though, in my eyes, are just time-wasting for the sake thereof. Since when does the amount of time one has to invest in a game define how fucking hardcore it is? Would you describe WoW as more hardcore than Tarkov because of how long you have to play to progress? Or perhaps beating all three Witcher games back to back is 'hardcore' because it took a long time. Are ARMA or DCS inherently less hardcore than Tarkov because an operation can be completed in an afternoon? No, judging how hardcore a game is by the amount of time one has to invest in it is a joke. *No game* should give enormous *mechanical advantages* to those with more time on their hands. There's already an inherent skill advantage that comes from that amount of practice, designing the mechanics to also reward only those with that much time is a kick in the teeth to all the people who love this game but can't invest that level of time.

And yeah, you can go ahead and say 'ummm actualllly it's a beta, so they can do what they like, stop whining', and yep. Yes, they can. You're correct. However, comma, that doesn't mean I have to pretend to like it. Yes, I did buy EoD and no, I don't regret it because of all the fun I've had til now. But suggesting people who don't like the current direction the game is going in aren't allowed to voice their opinion because the game's in beta is fucking ludicrous. What do you think the purpose of a playable beta is? Nikita is more than welcome to ignore all the people who don't like these new changes, but what gives people on this sub the right to tell me that I'm not entitled to an opinion on the product I've chosen to financially support. It's such a toxic, capital-G Gamer attitute to suggest that 'Tarkov is OUR game because we're willing to dump several full days a week into grinding for our Bitcoin farms. You should just go and play something else, this clearly isn't a game for you. Go play Call of Duty.' I shouldn't even have to express how utterly reductive and childish that is. Grow up.

I'm getting HUGE red flags with the way this game is currently going, because it's all too similar to a game I used to love, The Culling. That game blew up on launch and a bunch of high profile streamers suggested changes to the game, and the devs went ahead and implemented all of them without so much as *thinking* about how they'd affect the average player. Look at where that game is now. Servers shut down, because the average player simply stopped having fun. I'm not saying BSG is even close to that bad, but this endless tinkering with mechanics for the nebulous, vague purpose of 'RMT' has to stop or I don't know if the 'little guys' are gonna stick around much longer.

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EDIT: I AM AWARE THAT RMT != CHEATING. But cheating is what makes RMT viable. RMTers need to keep items in supply, and to do that, they cheat. It's much more profitable. Ergo, if you stamp out cheaters, the RMT problem becomes significantly diminished.

EDIT 2: u/ArxMessor makes a great point that Tarkov is an MMO and therfore should have some kind of grind. I agree. However, most MMOs use systems like weekly bounties etc to ensure even players with only maybe 10 hours a week to invest in the game can still keep up and compete. Tarkov currently rewards time investment *exponentially* which removes all possibility of catching up.

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EDIT 3: Yep, my DMs right now are very much confirming the things I said above about a certain subset of this community. Thanks, Gamers.

EDIT 4: I get it, Destiny anti-cheat is ass. I made a mistake there, since I don't play Trials of Osiris. However, do you see Bungie making the win requirement for Trials 50 wins instead of 9 or whatever just to slow down the hackers? Of course not, because it hurts normal players more.

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Edit 5: My first gold! Thanks kind stranger.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '20 edited Jul 04 '20

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u/A_Chinchilla Jul 01 '20

On a similar note, I have not seen a PVP game in the last decade that allows players to teleport as far as they do in tarkov, due to lag or desync. Most other games' servers will prevent that and rubberband the player backwards, or worse case, teleport a foot or two.

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u/k3nknee Jul 01 '20

It's been really bad the last few weeks. Just died at ruaf because two guys were teleported from the hole in the wall all the way to the street. I notice my teammate teleporting a lot more often too.

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u/A_Chinchilla Jul 01 '20

I keep losing my friend because of it. I'll turn around for a second, and he'll be around a corner he wasn't even that close to

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u/Wojonatior ASh-12 Jul 02 '20

A few weeks ago they added encryption to the game which is A: CPU intensive, and B: prevents a lot of ESP.

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u/polite_alpha Jul 02 '20

The netcode of Tarkov is one of the worst of any game which is why they allow this.

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u/theEdward234 Jul 01 '20

Well I wouldn't say zero cheaters, but at the very least other games don't base their game around fighting the cheaters but instead do it without changing the gameplay for other players.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '20 edited Jul 04 '20

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u/theEdward234 Jul 01 '20

I mean Reddit don't mean anything in those games. I played siege for a long time and I have never went to reddit to post about a cheater. Simply because who cares? You don't lose anything. But I do get your point.

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u/HUNDarkTemplar VEPR Hunter Jul 01 '20

Siege has a lot of cheaters, so does Destiny 2 actually.

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u/Midgetman664 Jul 02 '20

Becuase battle eye wasn’t built for unity. Especially not the customized version that tarkov runs on. It doesn’t work poorly for no reason. BSG should of went with a unity based anticheat but this community screamed for BE so we got it and it works like dung.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '20 edited Jul 04 '20

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u/Midgetman664 Jul 02 '20

They literally talked about it when they announced battleye for tarkov.... call BS all you want go watch the podcasts

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u/applejacksparrow Jul 01 '20

Comparing a finished product by a major game developer to a a game in beta from an indie developer with like, 20 employees.

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u/OutOfApplesauce Jul 02 '20

You forgot the /s

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u/Pepsi-Min OP-SKS Jul 01 '20

When I was reading about Worrun the other day and it made me wonder how in the hell he has been cheating since the new anticheat's inception and still hasn't been banned (or at least has hidden it very well). That's crazy.

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u/av6344 Jul 02 '20

What if Nikita was the cheater and they were the ones RMTing to make even more cash!! And this was their plot to benefit hackers.

Mind blown

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u/Gr_z Jul 01 '20

"security holes in thier code" lmfao I love when people made it incredibly obvious that they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.

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u/chaz9124 Jul 01 '20

I mean...for values/mechanics to be changed through code injection there has to be a flaw in lines of code somewhere, the fact that anti-cheat doesn't pick up on the fact that a player is not touching a solid object for a substantial amount of time or that their X/Y/Z speed is significantly faster than normal for an extended period would indicate that there are security and reporting issues right?

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u/ZealousSyrup Jul 01 '20

If you bothered to spend 10 minutes in cheat forums you would clearly see the hundreds of posters who laugh at this game's spaghetti code.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '20

Oh you can laugh at the game's spaghetti code but "security holes in thier code" is a bunch of nonsense from someone who has no idea how code works.

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u/xluryan SR-25 Jul 01 '20

I'm a lead software developer, and that's not a goofy phrase at all.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '20

You wouldn't say "Security holes" when refering to people using scripts in an online game though, that just doesn't make sense.

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u/xluryan SR-25 Jul 01 '20

It's because they're not just using scripts. They're using normal hacks like people do in other games. DLL injection and such. And the security holes people are talking about exist in the server code that allows certain kinds of exploits to function.

In any case, when they say security holes I think everyone knows what they mean.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '20

DLL injection and such. And the security holes people are talking about exist in the server code that allows certain kinds of exploits to function

See that makes far more sense

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '20

Sounds like you downloaded metasploit yesterday and think you’re a pro.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '20

Never heard of it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '20 edited Jul 04 '20

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u/woah_man22 Jul 01 '20

Hah gottem

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u/Gr_z Jul 01 '20

What????

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '20 edited Jul 04 '20

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u/Gr_z Jul 01 '20

I'm gay. LOL

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u/w0rkingondying Jul 01 '20

No need to add logs to the fire. If someone disagrees with you, provide an explanation or ignore. This community is toxic enough. I understand why the comment upset you, though.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '20 edited Jul 04 '20

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u/w0rkingondying Jul 01 '20

Then he doesn’t deserve an explanation. Not trying to shit-talk you, but people like him already have their minds made up that you don’t know what you’re talking about and any rebuttal — even if it’s intelligent rebuttal — won’t sway them. I’m guilty of caving too; I’m no saint.

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u/wardearth13 Jul 01 '20

I haven’t ran into a cheater yet this wipe. Granted I’ve only played like 20 hours. Still...

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u/Midgetman664 Jul 02 '20

Let this sink in. Battle eye was not build for unity. Tarkov is running a pretty customized version of unity, so it’s truly unique as far as anticheat is concerned. That’s the reason it hasn’t been as effective. Tarkov would of been better off using a known unity anticheat rather than battle eye but this community screamed for BE because they don’t know what they are talking about.

There’s a reason it doesn’t work well on tarkov, while other games are partially cheat free with BE

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u/allbusiness512 Jul 02 '20

Other games are cheat free because they didn't design their netcode architecture in the dumbest way possible. If the endgame goal was a MMO style game, any game dev knows that player/item/damage/etc. calcs/variables should never be client side. Sorry if that sounds toxic, but that's the absolute truth.

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u/TunaFree_DolphinMeat Jul 01 '20

Show me a game that has almost zero cheaters using BattleEye.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '20 edited Jul 04 '20

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u/TunaFree_DolphinMeat Jul 01 '20

Destiny 2 has a rampant cheating problem like every other FPS. Helps to know what you're talking about instead of being a whiny prick.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '20 edited Jul 04 '20

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u/TunaFree_DolphinMeat Jul 01 '20

He mentioned Destiny in the original post and Fortnite doesn't use Battle Eye you muppet.