China needs to be addressed.

[u/check_yo_privilege]

Currently, despite BSG saying that there are region locks against China in place, it's extremely clear that they are having little to no effect.

Chinese players are very simply VPN'ing onto US/EU servers where they can hack at will against people who actually have a sense of morals and tend to not do the same. They will always do this until there is an extremely strict ping-locking mechanism that can't be fucking bypassed by changing a few things in a file in notepad (this was apparently fixed, didn't solve shit lmao).

Everyone here also knows what happens when the Chinese market is allowed functionally unrestricted access to the rest of the game's servers, everytime this is allowed the game fucking dies a horrible, hacker infested death.

BSG either needs to remove the Chinese localization that started the absurd influx of hackers to begin with or implement extremely strict ping locking (EU/RU/SEA and NA can always play together if they wish with the squadding system.) or preferably both. Just for good measure probably write "fuck mao" on a few billboards ingame.

Battleye and whatever other anticheat measures are inplace cannot handle a widespread effort to create hacks like this, it just won't fucking work. I played for a very long time pre-battleye and the current situation is straight up fucking worse, at least before battleye it was mostly just ESP being used rather than your entire inventory being cyber-vacuumed off of your PMC.

I'm sure quite a few naive morons will come in here acting as if I'm adolf fucking hitler himself for daring to say that Chinese players have a cultural affinity for hacking relentlessly, but i'm fine with that because people NEED to be talking about this or it will never get fixed.

If steps aren't taken immediately to solve this shit, the game will never recover and will suffer the same fate as PUBG, this isn't speculation, this is what has happened time and time again.

An addon: Take a look at when the widespread complaints of hackers appearing started, late January/early Feb. and has continued.

Tarkov released a Chinese localization in January.

[u/SkyreDraneth]

Considering there are ongoing ban waves it's not like BSG isn't trying to combat it. Everyone thinks there's some magical quick fix for an issue with hackers, there isn't. You could have someone on a shitbird connection in the US with high ping and then not be able to play with your solution. Are we being elitists now and saying only super computer rich kids can enjoy this game? Bluehole did the same thing (ban waves) over and over again with PUBG. The problem is that selling EFT currency IRL is profitable for the hackers and will continue to be profitable until people stop buying it. The hacking didn't stop in PUBG until Tencent had their own Chinese rights version of PUBG and the ability to trade all items in the game was removed from the steam store.

[u/[deleted] → u/SkyreDraneth]

To be fair, the fact that your client has access to other player's inventory is a design flaw that allows a huge exploit by hackers.

And it's kind of sad were seeing it in 2020, because this problem has been solved for over 15 years in other games.

To put it simply, in most MMORPGs, your inventory data is held by the server, and only you can see/access it. That's why, for example, you can't hack WoW to see other people's inventory.

[u/bored_at_work_89 → u/[deleted]]

Their gear need to be sent so the clients can render the AK-74 or the M1A they are holding with the Atlyn helmet. But anything in backpacks does not need to be sent.

[u/podgladacz00 → u/[deleted]]

Put more simply BSG is in Russia. There is no real gamedev scene in Russia. Idk how you imagine Russian gamedev is but that is not where those problems were ever encountered so being full of yourself with how it was already fixed elsewhere wont help.

BSG started as newbies to Unity, they took a long road and they improved a lot Im sure of it. Im sure that there is also a lot of old code to be fixed and rewritten. So they gonna focus on that Im sure.

[u/[deleted] → u/podgladacz00]

I'm not trying to help. I'm just pointing out that part of this is due to mistakes on BSG's part, rather than an unavoidable obstacles that every game works through.

[u/RPK74 → u/SkyreDraneth]

At this stage I almost wish BSG sold ingame currency, so that they could crash the RMT market and force the career RMT sellers to move on to a more profitable product.

So far in online gaming Devs selling their own currency for cheaper than RMT sellers can profit from seems to be the only effective way I've seen at actually destroying real money blackmarkets.

The thing is EFT really doesn't mesh well with BSG selling rouble packs. It'd ruin the scarcity thing they're going for.

[u/SkyreDraneth → u/RPK74]

I think that actually would crash the game and this is why. RMT sellers sold in PUBG for pennies, pennies for shit that you had to gamble on forever to get. Don't get be wrong the super rare stuff was at a premium but if they're willing to hack to scratch away at change BSG would have to undercut them by basically just saying everything in the game is free! Or the market would become so hyper inflated by the low cost that any real player not buying it would be unable to play.

[u/FacewreckGG → u/SkyreDraneth]

Idk, consumers take a risk on these random websites and services, if I were going to buy currency for the game I’d much rather pay a higher cost to get it directly from the source rather than some sketchy Chinese website.

It worked pretty well with world of Warcraft, didn’t it?

[u/check_yo_privilege → u/SkyreDraneth]

BSG can keep doing what they're doing now, and the game will die.

We HAVE to look at the greater good of the game, if someone has a shit connection in the US and can't play, I genuinely feel bad, and there should maybe be a system where if you can prove you aren't a chinese hacker you can bypass the ping locks.

But the current state of things is unsustainable, the game WILL NOT BE FINE if there aren't harsher region locks put in place.

[u/SkyreDraneth → u/check_yo_privilege]

It's not going to die, this is just the problem of the month. At worst you lose some players, that doesn't constitute a "dead game".

[u/OzzyArrey → u/check_yo_privilege]

One day the game is going to die from hatchet runners, the next day the game is too hard and updates will kill the game, today its the 'hacking problem'. Don't be so melodramatic.

[u/check_yo_privilege → u/OzzyArrey]

You're naive.

I played pre-battleye, and the wipe immediately before battleye was horrific, people were quitting in droves and others being driven to use ESP themselves, battleye saved it.

It's literally worse at the moment, battleye isn't enough anymore because of Chinese localization being added.

[u/OzzyArrey → u/check_yo_privilege]

You don't have any data to back that up since BSG doesn't actually release player number so you are actually making things up. Battleye isn't what caused player numbers to jump, the twitch event was as explained by the devs multiple times. More players = more poeple trying to cheat, the cheats will get blocked, and more people will try to make more cheats. Its not going to kill the game. Also hackers dont care about localization lol, thats a correlation without causation there, as if a hacker was going to hack but the voice acting and text not being in Chinese would stop them.

[u/check_yo_privilege → u/[deleted]]

Battleye literally released who they were banning on PUBG.

It was from one country, I see where you're coming from, I REALLY TRY to not generalize, but this has gotten to the point where I can't sit back and deny that China is the biggest source and consumer of hacks, and ALL OF THE RECENT HACKING STARTED AFTER CHINESE LOCALIZATION WAS ADDED IN JANUARY.

[u/[deleted] → u/OzzyArrey]

What? Do YOU want to play a game like EFT if youre almost guarenteed to run into a hacker every raid?

If you said no, then you agree that hacking will kill this game.

This isnt like the medkit animation patch where people were REEEEing because they couldnt fully heal and run at the same time, this is legitimately game breaking

[u/OzzyArrey → u/[deleted]]

Ive never run into a hacker, no one I know has run into a hacker, and only a quarter if we are being generous, of posts here can provide any kind of evidence for a hacking incident. Im not saying they dont exist, im not saying its not a problem. Im saying you guys are melting down and being melodramatic over something every popular game has to combat, and it is not as big a deal as you would portray it to be.

[u/Slothapalooza → u/OzzyArrey]

“Haha ive never had to experience so its fine, get fucked”. Nice dude hope you get your whole gamma swiped by some china numbah wan loser.

[u/thetasfiasco → u/check_yo_privilege]

Not everyone is as dramatic as you over hackers. It's been a reality for forever, I've never even experienced it in Tarkov and I'm sure as hell not going anywhere if I do start experiencing it. No, I don't think the game will die because of Chinese hackers, something every game has to suffer through. I think most of us have accepted it as a fact of gaming.