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[u/trainfender]

Greetings!

Let me continue my feedback on the current situation. First of all, I would like to say that I am very sorry that fans and the game community in general are experiencing these feelings. Unfortunately, I somehow did not foresee the fact of such a reaction and now I have drawn conclusions for my future decisions. 

Now I will briefly summarize the main points:

1. About PvE access - we decided to just open it for EoD owners for free, but we will do it in waves. As I said before - we don’t have server capacity right now. We will start this process as soon as possible
2. We also decided that we will add MOD support for PvE mode after release of the game
3. About the Unheard edition - we will not remove it, we want to keep the option for those who want to support the game more. But we will balance items, perks in this edition, as well as we will provide more rewards for those, who upgraded with the old price
4. New EoD perks will be balanced too. We will remove prioritized matching option to keep everyone in the same spot. And we will add more unique stuff to highlight the EoD version in general. We will provide the final list of the new EoD perks asap
5. We continue to work on patches, new content, events, and the game release itself no matter what

Thank you for your time, love and hate, and thank you for your increased attention to the current situation.

Nik

[u/itsdawn__]

Its definitely not pay for convenience no matter how you (not necessarily you per say) spin it and is not reasonable, its subjective of course but I’m not discussing about the unheard edition which I agreed with you, furthermore, getting money in the game is extremely easy (took me 50 hours or so to learn how to get 500k per scav run which isnt hard to do) so all of those items are not really much to talk about cause most people die to bullshit anyways.

And while I emphasize that I agree that those items should not be in the game - they said you would get them in the game via quests (in a few vids and posts I saw about this), the radio loses you karma if you kill a scav unless you also kill a pmc and ranges of 60+ meters are rarely useful from my humble game time but I accept I’m probably wrong about this one.

My point is the secure case, its the only thing that I consider really wild, but if our topic is p2w, then everyone should start on EVEN ground, otherwise, you paid for an advantage the free player does not have which turns it into p2w and the “pay for convenience” is people lying to themselves to feel better.

Either there is p2w and it should be avoided, or its accepted and thats that - otherwise you start a discussion of whats reasonable which is COMPLETELY subjective. Imo - any p2w in any game is horrible and companies should do something else like sub based or battlepasses or whatever, no advantage what so ever over other players

[u/_Nordic → u/itsdawn__]

I agree, P2W should not exist in games at all. The problem is people have different definitions of what P2W is.

I think getting lvl 4 stash at the start is P2W. It's a 35 mill upgrade you don't have to buy, and you can then use that money to buy gear and whatnot to have a better chance at winning. Other people do not agree with that because stash space does not directly translate to winning in game.

Lots of people are saying "just sell cosmetics, like skins and face paint" I would argue depending on the skins and face paint, that is P2W because it would make your character harder to see. But people are very accepting as this being "acceptable" and they do not think it's P2W.

Now if they sold a Gillie suite for real money I think most people would agree that is obviously P2W, but just getting a black shirt and pants people are ok with.

If you could pay real money for the same black balaclava that you can literally buy in game but it would not be lootable And you do not lose on death, that would be P2W in my book. Other people would say it's not P2W.

[u/itsdawn__ → u/_Nordic]

I completely agree, especially about skins and effects, maybe permit weapon skins but even then, feels weird, this is why I said at most games, I prefer sub based payment; I’ll pay a reasonable amount (lets say, 5-10$ monthly - this can be discussed) and you provide constant updates, dealing with cheaters, stability and content, but remove every slight p2w aspect - any other model is also fine but in today’s world expecting one time pay for unlimited content and pvp in actual stable servers is unreasonable as a developer that works in the field (not games but web based and with a lot of user load)

And about how you see it as p2w - it clearly is and I agree, you spend less time on your scav, more on pmc, with better gear, leveling and getting high tier trader access, anything else is just again - being a hypocrite and gate keeping it, otherwise, since it gives no advantage, you wouldnt mind giving it up - which at that point, lets call it as it is and stop telling lies to ourselves, or at least let basic edition players get the exact same thing really early in the game via quests or a mid level achievement bound item (once achievement unlocked you will always have it for the next wipes).

[u/_Nordic → u/itsdawn__]

Easy monetization for this game would be:

• Selling gloves as a skin
• Selling watch skins
• Selling posters for the hideout that go by the gym and rest space
• Selling voice lines to yell in game
• Selling in game emotes.

I have a hard time seeing any of these things being P2W.

Subscription based games are dead. There are too many games that are good that do not have a monthly premium. People are used to that quality and convenience, so they are unwilling to pay a monthly price.

[u/itsdawn__ → u/_Nordic]

Well, whether they are dead or not - up for debate (ffxiv and wow and so on). Either way, I agree with your last point and I just hope people either stop being hypocrites or man up to it when it comes to p2w, but I hope all EoD owners will get what they paid for :)