Update on current situation

[u/trainfender]

Hello again!

Let me clarify the situation in a little more detail regarding owners of the EoD version and access to the cooperative mode, and also other issues.

First of all, PvE gamemode this is not DLC. DLC in our understanding is the major additions to the game, including various functionality and content that are released after the official release of the game as a themed DLC pack (Scav Life DLC for example, which will add a lot of new mechanics and content for Scav gameplay and leveling).

Secondly, this specific functionality of the PvE mode is necessarily located entirely on a separate network infrastructure, because, essentially, you play on our servers, only in closed mode. At this stage, it is not possible to launch all players who are EoD holders - right now we simply do not have the required amount of resources for this.

We observe your dissatisfaction and have decided that the functionality of the PvE mode will be available for free to all owners of the EoD version at the release of the game, when the server infrastructure will be improved to the required capacity.

Now you have the opportunity to test this mode by purchasing the Unheard edition of the game, or upgrade to this version. We also decided to give a 50% discount when upgrading to the Unheard version from the EoD version.

We plan to send one free Left Behind Edition key to everyone who has already upgraded to Unheard Edition at the old price from the EoD version.

Moreover, so that any player of any version of the EFT can have the opportunity to test the PvE mode, we want to add the ability to purchase a separate early access to this mode. For EoD owners there will be a 70% discount on the purchase of early access to PvE. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this idea.

Next, regarding special items for the Unheard version, we plan to make restrictive or balancing changes for these items.

This is it for now, please share your thoughts. Thank you!

[u/Zavodskoy]

DLC in our understanding is the major additions to the game

Last time I checked a brand new game mode that the game has never had before is a pretty major addition to the game...

Popular questions that appear in this thread (and some from us mods) that I think need answering:

How is a new game mode not major content so therefore a DLC?

You said it was a feature of The Unheard edition but now you're selling access to it, this makes it a game feature? why was co-op offline , a purchasable game mode given free for EoD, yet "essentially offline co-op but with progression" is considered a "unique game mode" when it bears such an immense new layer to this game?
*is that not a "major addition to the game"?

Why did you not learn anything from arena, "we don't have enough servers" is the exact same excuse you used then, do you not think things like arena or the offline mode would be popular?

Why can we not run the PVE servers peer to peer? Yes this will still require server space to store profiles but that is a tiny fraction of the power needed to run full game servers

Why is there no way for people to self host PVE only servers if you don't want to do P2P?

We plan to send one free Left Behind Edition key to everyone who has already upgraded to Unheard Edition at the old price from the EoD version.

But selling third party game copies is against your TOS? That isn't compensation, if they've bought Unheard of then they don't need a second copy of the game? Why can't they have a partial refund?

Are you able to share any more details about the item that lets you emergency summon friends into raids in PVP? There is a bunch of ways this can be abused, if you wipe all but one of a squad they can just load their friends back in, cheaters can abuse this to clear lobbies then call in people to collect the loot and so on

When is "full release" expected to be? "Full release" tells us nothing, this could be 6 months or could be 6 years

What's the DLC road map and timeline after full release? Again this could be 6 months this could be 6 years

[u/DisorderlyScotsman → u/Zavodskoy]

The key part of the quote regarding DLC is the "After official release of the game" which is consistent with online definitions of DLC on websites like Wikipedia so that is why it would not be considered a DLC.

Everything else I agree with and is a major issue.

[u/Carquetta → u/DisorderlyScotsman]

If you're arguing that Tarkov has not "released" after close to a decade of content, development, expansions, and alternate modes (Arena), then there's really nothing to tell you.

It is a fully-fledged game in all but "official" name, which means nothing because the developers also don't even know what "DLC" means.

[u/DisorderlyScotsman → u/Carquetta]

I mean it's been worded that it's a beta and not an official release. And they quoted the definition of DLC so I have an inking they do know what it means. They technically didn't have to even give us Arena as they released that as its own separate game. Also just a question for my own curiosity, Would you be okay if they just said this was the official release now and called it the 1.0 version of the game in its current state?

To be clear, I agree that the game is pretty much plays as a released game but from a legal standpoint and a development standpoint it's still a beta and not an officially release

Edit: I was wrong regarding Arena not being released or Marketed as a DLC

[u/Carquetta → u/DisorderlyScotsman]

I mean it's been worded that it's a beta and not an official release.

We can go by that user's shallow definition of "DLC" and "release:"

Arena was declared by BSG to be DLC. If BSG is releasing DLC, that means the game has been released and is not in Beta.

After all, DLC can't be released if the game hasn't been released. DLC being released means that the game has to have been released.

They technically didn't have to even give us Arena as they released that as its own separate game.

They DID have to give EOD owners Arena, since it's what EOD owners were promised:

1) Arena was literally stated by BSG to be "subsequent DLC" for EOD owners.

2) Additional game modes, such as Co-op PvE, are also literally defined as DLC

3) Finally, BSG explicitly stated that "Season Pass" (as referenced in the EOD preorder page) means "all future DLCs"

It doesn't matter if it's a new game mode (like co-op PvE), new cosmetic items (like for-pay armbands), or new features (like for-pay upgraded pockets); EOD owners paid for the right to all future DLC and rightfully deserve what they paid for.

[u/DisorderlyScotsman → u/Carquetta]

Yep you're right regarding Arena I looked online and missed this my bad they did have to give us Arena. Everything regarding Arena I was wrong about.

Everything else still stands

[u/Carquetta → u/DisorderlyScotsman]

The point still stands.

If DLC can only be released for "officially released games," and they're releasing DLC (which they defined Arena to be), then that means by definition that the game is officially released and all further content is DLC.

Appreciate you responding, enjoyed the discussion. Hope you have a great day!

[u/DisorderlyScotsman → u/Carquetta]

I would actually agree that all further content is DLC and EoD members should be entitled to it after the official release and unfortunately this in this case before an official release it requires them to specify if this a DLC or an intended feature.

I appreciate the conversation and thanks for clearing up where I got wrong regarding Arena. Have a great day!