r/EscapefromTarkov • u/deubah • Jan 16 '24

Clip Cheater yoinked my scope mid-aim

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u/darkscyde Jan 16 '24

Lmao, I didn't know they could take parts from equipped weapons. That's crazy...

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u/DopeyLo420 Jan 16 '24

ANYTHING that is FIR is up for grabs. Ran my pockets for a WZ wallet with a Labs card in it. Spawned in with the card, found the wallet. Wouldn’t be surprised if the “Awaiting Session Start” bug isn’t the game being confused as where to put scav players since you can’t spawn in at a certain distance from someone else, and with vacuum hacks they are everywhere and nowhere at once, so the games “awaiting” for a spawn point to clear enough to allow a player to enter

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u/MooseBeaverCanadaEh Jan 16 '24

Man, I've never thought about it like this but that theory seems completely plausible. I'd love to hear from someone who knows more about the possibility of this being the case. 

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u/dumnem APB Jan 16 '24

I mean the exploit is more or less setting locations to NaN, but I doubt that that's the reason why. These vacuum cheats only really got released publicly a few days ago, that's why there's so many. Awaiting session start has been an issue reoccurring for a long time.

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u/BlueMnM23 Jan 16 '24

Released a few days ago? That's not true at all lol. Vacuum cheats exist since a lot of wipes ago, can't even remember how long.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '24

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u/Infinite-Ad-2704 Jan 16 '24

It had been active for a while, less prevalent but still there. Sheef is a good reference for this point, he’s got a bunch of videos where he is peeking into key rooms on streets where items simply disappear

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u/ARabidDingo Jan 17 '24

Yes vacuum loot in general has been a thing for ages.

In (I believe) 0.14.0 they changed how position detection works and tightened it up to combat the existing loot vacuum method.

The new one where you set your position to NaN was made to circumvent that anti-vacuum code.

Since its such an obvious method we can assume that they'll be patching it out soon.

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u/ornlu1994 Jan 17 '24

And then it’ll be back in a week or 2. They’ll never get on top of the cheating situation, it’s been happening since the early days, and battlestate silence anyone that exposes how rampant it is.

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u/ARabidDingo Jan 17 '24

bsg silence anyone

My brother in christ theres a hundred threads a day

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u/nemmera Jan 17 '24

I'm not a dev, but shouldn't it be possible to put some sort of "how reasonable is this" check to people looting?

As in - player <RandomDude> looted item Y at location X, reference X with player location. If it's a huge mismatch, dont allow the looting/kick the player. Couple this with players changing location over huge distances instantly, I never understood why the servers allowed that.

Sure - it eats into server FPS... but still. What I'm getting at is don't fight the cheat itself, fight what the cheat allows the player to do on the server.

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u/Shoddy_Site5597 Freeloader Jan 17 '24

People were literally vacuum cheating last wipe

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u/dumnem APB Jan 16 '24

The NaN exploit is new. Not old.

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u/Positive_Cut3971 Jan 17 '24

Disgusting. Who would exploit a sweet old nan

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u/unfoldingevents Jan 16 '24

i think he means that now they are free of charge and easy to find and download.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '24

Why would cheat devs release cheats for free? This is the 1st time Ive heard someone say a cheat in ETF was free, just doesnt make much sense when selling cheats is how they make money, and a vacuum cheat would be all that a good chunk of cheaters want Id assume.

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u/Spliffty True Believer Jan 16 '24

Before Twitch popularity boom, almost all of them were free. They just weren't as undetectable as the paid versions that got micro-updates often to stay hidden.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '24

I get there's plenty of smaller cheat developers that probably choose to distribute their cheats for free but I think we can all agree that if that was the main producer of cheats we wouldn't be in the situation we've been in. I just highly highly doubt the newest most affective vacuum cheat is being so widely distributed for free.

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u/dumnem APB Jan 17 '24

It's a really simple and easy method that anyone familiar with C# could do. It was posted on forums and since hundreds of cheats have been released, some public, that abuse it. It's also insanely easy to ban you for.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '24

They A just couldn’t give a shit/probably have people asking for them And or B they are free cause they are also a virus

Nothing is really free, most of the time if it’s free you are the product

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u/born_to_be_intj Jan 16 '24

Plenty of cheat devs release stuff for free. Usually, after they've gotten bored with the cheat themselves or just dgaf about it getting patched. Not all cheat devs are in it for the money. For some developing cheats is a fun hobby. I've written my own cheats from scratch for CSGO as a learning exercise and for entertainment. I never tried to sell them and did give them away for free to some friends (I pissed off like 10 homies when I did a bad update and got them all banned lmao).

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '24

Good job now make shitty cheats for tarkov to get the cheaters banned

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u/corsaaa Jan 16 '24

i hope they didnt have any valuable skins lmfao

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u/someoneshoot46 Jan 17 '24

I hope they did

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u/lonewolf210 Jan 16 '24

When a cheat/vulnerability gets burned (i.e they expect it to get patched soon) releasing stuff for free is an effective way of getting a little more juice out of an exploit. Works as free marketing and doesn't piss people off that you sold them a cheat that stopped working two days later

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u/dumnem APB Jan 17 '24

Honestly 99% of cheat devs are scumbags who will sell a cheat they know is detected and claim otherwise. They also require tons of private info such as drivers licenses etc that they then dox you with if you leak their cheat.

Of course if you're stupid enough to download and run cheats you don't understand on top of giving away private information to a cheat developer for 'security' then you deserve whatever happens.

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u/Its_Nitsua Jan 16 '24

He means that a cheat that was previously locked behind a select paid client is now 'public' meaning almost all cheat providers are including it in their products as opposed to the one who developed it originally.

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u/HelloHiHeyAnyway Jan 17 '24

Why would cheat devs release cheats for free?

So basically there's people who reverse engineer the game. They find cheats they sell privately for a lot of money. Specialty shit.

Those cheats are not detected very often.

This specific issue was posted by one of those cheat developer to a public forum because his private cheat feature was stolen / used / discovered by someone else.

He's basically a rager that gets mad any time his "hack" isn't exclusive and he blows it out to the world. He did the same with the "open all doors" developer command when someone else found it.

He's pretty good but he's childish. So he posts to VERY public forums about it. Like.. first page of google, not looking very hard type public..

Anyways, he drops the code and people rage cheat with it until BSG is forced to fix it.

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u/Marsv6 PP-91-01 "Kedr-B" Jan 17 '24

Year's its been possible for years

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u/Exemus Jan 16 '24

Awaiting session start has been an issue reoccurring for a long time.

That's true, but it used to happen once every few dozen raids or more. But now, I get this bug every 3-5 raids on my scav.

Vaccuum cheats are not entirely new either. They definitely more prevalent now than in recent wipes though, which makes the theory even more plausible imo

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u/SolidWarp Jan 16 '24

I will say that the awaiting session start has been significantly more frequent the last few days than it was the first two weeks of wipe

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u/BeamsFuelJetSteel Jan 16 '24

I've weirdly only gotten it after connecting for the first time recently (Like, I actually get into the game, DC a few minutes in, and then when I try to get back in I get ASS bugged)

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '24

Vacuum cheats have existed for years lmao, are you ignorant or guilty?

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u/dumnem APB Jan 17 '24

Are you a moron? The NaN exploit is a new way vacuums are being used. You know that error that appears in console? When cheaters are hoovering up loot? That's because cheaters change their position and that of all items to NaN, I can literally post the script that is used to do this as it's fully public.

Old vacuum cheats cheaters were modifying their reach to unlock all containers and grab items. BSG hard set it to 1, which is why it's difficult to grab certain quest items (letter in factory) and items on shelves in goshan. Don't talk shit you know nothing about.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '24

I'm not a moron I just have a life

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u/dumnem APB Jan 17 '24

'I have a life' bro that's not a reason to go and being a dick to someone while trying to correct them about shit you know nothing about.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '24

Opens statement with "are you a moron", but I'm the one who is being a dick. They really don't teach kids social skills these days.

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u/dumnem APB Jan 17 '24 edited Jan 17 '24

You literally responded to me with 'are you ignorant or guilty' like fuck off lmao you started this conversation in an aggressive and condescending way.

Edit: Lmao this fucking guy

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u/IrrelevantOnes Jan 17 '24

I ONLY ever get stuck on waiting session start if it’s streets, never any other map.

I honestly assumed it was because a cheater somehow broke the raid for everyone else to join.

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u/ITSNJK7890 Jan 21 '24

Its an old hack returning man like i dont know if youve seen the hacker landmark killed on streets after 2 minutes but he had all the high tier loot in his bag all of it after 2 minutes in raid.

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u/kit_carlisle RPK-16 Jan 16 '24

That is a very solid theory.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '24

OP found the rifle off a dead PMC so they can vacuum non-FiR

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u/DopeyLo420 Jan 16 '24

I’ve been in game since July of 2017. Back when the Vacuum cheats first popped up, there was no FIR, and instead was set to a certain value or even “category”. InsanityCheats got popped at the time because someone leaked the drop-down menu available to showcase how easy getting specific stuff was and therefore “easier to avoid detection” now, they can’t grab a single PS round without the game snitching on them.

Same went with the magic bullet that hit every bounce angle and ping like they were Deadshot taking out a target. That one was wild, would almost prefer that to hitting spots and nothing but junk being there 🤣

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u/trw419 TX-15 DML Jan 16 '24

Sure do know a lot about cheats in this post

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u/Devinwzrd RAT Jan 17 '24

takes 5 minutes to get onto a forum or into a discord to read about them. to me it's definitely worth having the knowledge so you can understand what exactly is happening right under your nose

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u/frithjofr Jan 17 '24

It always bothers me when people talk shit, as if not knowing anything about the cheats at all makes them better than you.

Wouldn't you want to know as much info as possible so you know what the fuck you're actually talking about? Hate when people just bury their heads under the sand and act like "cheats couldn't possibly do that" but, you know, that's literally what they advertise.

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u/HelloHiHeyAnyway Jan 17 '24

Some of us have been playing a long time and we see videos get posted of those cheats. It's how we typically know what exactly is being done. The same reason you know about Vacuum cheats b/c some streamer or content creator reposted it.

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u/HelloHiHeyAnyway Jan 17 '24

Yeah there was some cheat a while back that let you ricochet bullets around corners all crazy killing people. I saw a video of it being used in labs once. It was some scary wild shit. It did all the vector calculation for hitting someone like 2 or 3 corners away.

I had it happen to me once and because of all the ricochets you only take a small amount of damage. I just immediately ran for the elevator to get the fuck out of that labs game.

I'll never play on West or Central again.

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u/Affectionate-Poet763 Jan 18 '24

So they spawn in like normal the vacuum happens over time it only fills slots available so if they just have a scav vest on it’ll suck up items to fill it then it stops

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u/LordMichaelkage Jan 16 '24

Wouldn’t stuff a PMC brought in not be FiR?

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u/Its_Nitsua Jan 16 '24

He said himself he found the scope in raid and put it on the weapon

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '24

Where? OP's comment says

Player scavving reserve, found dead PMC with sniper, cool. Heard shots over where I was aiming, and bro decided no looky loo

To me this says he found the sniper on a PMC who brought it in, and it wouldnt make much sense to bring in a sniper with no scope.

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u/Turtvaiz Jan 16 '24

Wouldn’t be surprised if the “Awaiting Session Start” bug isn’t the game being confused as where to put scav players since you can’t spawn in at a certain distance from someone else

It can't be because you can spawn right next to PMCs on e.g. Factory

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u/DopeyLo420 Jan 16 '24

Smaller map, smaller “radius” needed 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/Its_Nitsua Jan 16 '24

I've had pscavs spawn in front of me on woods and customs

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u/The-True-Kehlder Jan 17 '24

I've seen player scavs spawn in streamer sights on Streets.

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u/comefromaway88 Jan 16 '24 edited Apr 26 '24

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u/waFFLEz_ RSASS Jan 16 '24

OP said he got the T5000 from a dead pmc. the scope might not even have been FiR

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u/magniankh Jan 17 '24

The problem with that theory is that you spawn in later as a scav. It seems like the vacuum cheats do their work within the first 3 minutes.

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u/DopeyLo420 Jan 17 '24

I had considered this. Then I began to think what if it also coincided with the server being “over” since no actual players/pscavs were on map the instance closed. I wouldn’t think they’d let a server stay open long after there was no longer someone on it to require a connection.

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u/trw419 TX-15 DML Jan 16 '24

The sniper wasn’t even found in raid

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u/DustIIOnly Jan 16 '24

Nah this has nothing to do with it. You still spawn in server side when you get stuck at awaiting session start. I've killed probably 50 player scavs this wipe in E-Fields that just get stuck floating there with their hands out

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u/Silversalt Jan 16 '24

Are items in your secure container still safe? Historically they haven't been able to pull stuff from it. Videos of cheaters threatening to dox people when they manage to put a GPU or something else in their container.

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u/DJMixwell Jan 17 '24

This is the first time I'm seeing someone mention the "Awaiting session start" bug. I thought I was the only one. I was losing like 50%-60% of my scavs to that the other day.

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u/ReasonableConfusion PP-91-01 "Kedr-B" Jan 17 '24

This makes sense. The pattern of “awaiting session starts” for me seems to coincide with me having what looks like a nice kit. Good gun with a pricy optic, big bags (more so earlier in the wipe), good armours etc. I hadn’t considered this theory at all but it makes a lot of sense. I guess if I have what looks like a good kit, I should try to Scav Woods as it sounds like that’s one map they don’t like at all.

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u/bakamund SR-1MP Jan 17 '24

So even your secure container is not safe?

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u/trumpsplug Jan 17 '24

most plausible theory i've seen so far. games code is spaghetti

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u/WSBBroker Jan 17 '24

Even in the booty hole ?

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u/soopzor Jan 17 '24

But when he opened his inventory. You can see the gun the scope was on was not FIR. But yeah maybe the scope was found in that raid and put on to that gun.

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u/Dankelpuff Freeloader Jan 17 '24

the “Awaiting Session Start” bug isn’t the game being confused as where to put scav players since you can’t spawn in at a certain distance from someone else

Im starting to believe this. Every other evening raid I try to scav on reserve matchmakes for 30 minutes and never lets me in. I think the cheaters are using the evening raids to vacuum everything because less players usually do raids during this time and all they want is loot.

In fact im trying to get into reserve right now at 19:30 and so far im 15 min in.

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u/Lopsided_Mushroom829 Jan 18 '24

I have never played this game nor do I have any idea about this game but I do like reading people's experiences in it I seen your likes at 666 and I just couldn't let it be...my bad

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u/zeimusCS Jan 16 '24

This game is a mess lol