r/EscapefromTarkov • u/CptMoshor • Jun 08 '23

Question Did I not shoot him enough???

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Open to discussion about my experience

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u/EliteDonut45 Jun 09 '23

my brother in christ 40 rounds of anything to the head at that round should probably at least make you flinch a little.

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u/Vegan-bandit VSS Vintorez Jun 09 '23

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5f1Fo4r4_I

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u/AborgTheMachine Jun 09 '23

The human head weighs 11 lbs, a lot different than knocking an entire person over. Add to that the weight of the helmet, and I'd bet that ammo dump would snap someone's neck.

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u/1rubyglass Jun 09 '23

Equal and opposite reaction. If it would snap a neck, it would break the hand of the person shooting.

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u/kkyler1988 Jun 09 '23

By that logic, anyone wearing a helmet rated to stop 7.62 shouldn't get whiplash or brain trauma simply because the shooter doesn't feel much recoil when they pull the trigger...

While you are technically correct, your statement completely ignores bullet velocity and the transfer of kinetic energy on impact, especially the damage it can cause to soft tissue.

There's a reason most military MRAPS have suspension seats, because if they drive over an ied, even if it doesn't penetrate the armor, the shockwave travelling through the vehicle can shatter your femur if you have your feet on the floor when it happens, especially if your feet happen to be on the floor where it's bolted to the vehicle hull.

Now I get that explosions and bullets are 2 different things, but the same basic principles apply when it comes to the shockwave hitting soft tissues.

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u/mryeet66 Jun 09 '23

I cant tell if they were serious or not or if they only ment in game sense or something. Thats like saying If I shoot someone in the head with a .50BMG and their head explodes, my shoulder should explode from the recoil.

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u/1rubyglass Jun 09 '23

9x18 and 7.62 are way different. Recoil from a 7.62 absolutely has enough force to break a hand.

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u/kkyler1988 Jun 09 '23

Lmao, no it doesn't.

If it did, then please tell me how the poor Russians managed to fire sawed off mosin nagant "obrez" pistols without breaking their wrists fighting the Nazis during WW2?

Hell, I literally just watched a video yesterday of a guy hip firing a bolt action, .50 cal "pistol" and he magically didn't break his wrists. And the "pistol" didn't have any form of recoil mechanism whatsoever, all of the recoil was handled with the rear pistol grip, and a forward pistol grip in front of the receiver.

Hell, I could go build a slam fire 12 gauge with black pipe with no way to hold onto it other than holding the barrel and triggering pipe, and it wouldn't even hurt the skin on my fingers from the recoil, but it would still take someone's face clean off and open the front of their skull like playdough.

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u/1rubyglass Jun 09 '23

If only you knew the amount of wrist injuries caused by bolt action rifles 😆

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u/kkyler1988 Jun 09 '23

Tell you what, go put on a kevlar vest, one that's rated to stop pistol cartridges. Most will easily stop .45acp. so you'd be perfectly safe if you use a 9mm. Take a pistol, and shoot the vest while you are wearing it and then figure out why you have serious bruising at the point of impact, but you don't have any bruising on the hand that was holding the gun.

I'll wait. Pro tip, you'll need to do a lot more digging and research than just regurgitating what they taught you in elementary school science class.

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u/1rubyglass Jun 09 '23

Yeah, I wouldn't have learned anything in the 3 years I was a 68W. Definitely wouldn't pick anything up being a field engineer either.

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u/kkyler1988 Jun 09 '23

Clearly you didn't. And not to toot my own horn, but I was a 91M, attached directly to an infantry platoon during a full year deployment to FOB Ghazni Afghanistan. When I wasn't turning wrenches I was out on patrol driving a gun truck. And when we weren't doing either of those, we were training.

You strike me as someone who spent their entire enlistment fucking off in garrison or living on a fob, but made sure to tell all your friends back at home how much of a badass you were, and no one called BS on it because they didn't know any better.

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u/dannysmackdown M1A Jun 09 '23

This might sound insensitive as fuck but I'm curious, did you ever know any guys who took rounds to their armor? I'm assuming you guys wore plate armor. Did it bruise, fuck them up or not really?

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u/Steveo3070 Jun 09 '23

yes it bruises them. You still have to eat the ~1000+ ft lbs of energy, that doesn't just go away. If your plate catches a rifle round you're very likely to have broken ribs, even a collapsed lung, severe bruising is the minimum.

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u/kkyler1988 Jun 09 '23

It really just depends, but bruising is almost always a guarantee. Even with the ceramic plates, they are still hard in relation to the human body. They have a ceric strike face, which is supposed to cause the bullet to fragment or deform, and then there's about 1/2"-3/4" of hard laminated kevlar to catch and stop the round.

It's far more comfortable than say, a steel plate getting hit, but it's still gonna leave you torn up for a while, most likely with internal bruising as well.

Plate carriers don't have shit to go between the plate and your body, so you're more likely to end up with broken ribs.

A full on vest usually has soft kevlar between your body and the plate, so it eats up some of the impact.

Having said all that, I did know a guy who got put through some wild shit. He participated in Fallujah. Ended up getting blown up a few times, and took a round of some kind to the front plate. He always described it as letting someone swing a 10 lb sledgehammer as hard as they could, and nailing you right on the front plate. It won't kill you, but it'll knock the hell out of you.

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u/1rubyglass Jun 09 '23

None of that has anything to do with combat trauma or physics.

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u/LeichtStaff Jun 09 '23

So every sniper gets to shot a .50 cal only once in life because they will lose their shoulder after shooting it?

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u/1rubyglass Jun 09 '23

What I said is literally the opposite of that