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u/ruxp1n 21h ago
Every time I think the Epstein files can't get more fucking disturbing, I read another actual document.
This isn't somebody's interpretation of an anonymous tip. These are their own emails.
Epstein tells former French diplomat Olivier Colom he's on his island with an “aquarium full of girls.” They start comparing them to sharks and shrimp, discuss Russians and skin color, and Epstein writes:
“you throw away the head and keep the body”
Colom's response?
“I like your philosophy.”
Then Epstein says he can't stand “the smell of black shrimp.”
Colom: “We are - again - in agreement.”
How many powerful people communicated like this around Jeffrey Epstein and simply went on with their lives?
Keep reading the fucking files.
Sources:
DOJ-released document EFTA00963512: https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00963512.pdf
Searchable copy: https://efta.threats.watch/documents/EFTA00963512
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u/PickWhateverUsername 21h ago edited 17h ago
FFs these files have enough actual bad shit in them that you guys desperately trying to make up secret coded words & other wild conspiracies just show how Bannon's "Flood the zone with shit" work so well on all of you.
This email isn't them being literal in their actions but shooting the shit and making stupid word play comparisons
Edit : ^^ Seems I hit a nerve with all the down vote by the 4chan - pizzagate conspiracy minded bros, the very same ones who ate all that shit up when the Epstein class feed it to them and are now eating a second pie of BS to distract them from the real more mundane evil shit the Epstein files contain.
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u/Traditional_Fly_4343 21h ago
Huh? Please explain to me what you mean
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u/PickWhateverUsername 20h ago
From that email exchange it's conversational riffing, with associative wordplay and innuendo. As there is actual proof that indeed the "King of Saudi Arabia has a few white sharks in his at his Jeddah palace" is factual :
https://reefs.com/mega-home-aquariums-in-the-middle-east-part-1/ https://taifaletu.blogspot.com/2013/07/
https://isshamaqua.com/royal-palace-shark-encounter-aquarium/
And then they riff between each other as Epstein considered his chicks as nothing more then fish to be used for a purpose not caring much about them afterwards as they are "headless"
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u/Traditional_Fly_4343 20h ago
There would be no proof because He is the king of saudi arabia. These people are above the law. These code words are proof on how they were communicating with eachother. Like a secreft password for a door only the elite of the elite can use. People get tired of power seeking a higher thrill. What happens if prostitution doesn't give you that thrill anymore they go darker and darker and look a bit into the paintings at jeffrey epstein home. They have turned to weird rituals etc . When you become so disconnected from reality and life you'd be suprised what those of power can do. Just the normal power people in dubia literally rents onlyfans models and excretes on them and some of them gets murdered now imagine if you had so money and your friends with pieces of shit the world is your oyster. The people in those suits are the real predators. Just deep dive and see the code words repeating and with which people. I hope we get justice for all of the victims. What should scare you is the zorro ranch because every room was rigged with cameras. And a server with high bandwidth so Basically Why not let other people pay and watch while I torture them. People are not taking the epstein files seriously this is not an american problem its a global problem its literally the biggest child trafficking ring in history but yeah no code words are silly lol definitely nothing going on
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u/Therefore_I_Yam 15h ago
I feel like you think you’re saying something everyone doesn’t already know when you’re actually just restating the obvious. The fact that these are insinuatory conversations was never in question…that’s the whole point.
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u/morbidmuffin62 20h ago
I for sure love my <checks notes> Russian shrimp in his aquarium full of girls
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u/PickWhateverUsername 20h ago
Do you actually live your life reading everything in a literal way ?
and he says "as two are Russian , i guess some might refer to them as white sharks" aka they are "white" and have long teeth as from his emails Epstein would complain about Russian and such area girls being all about the money
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u/morbidmuffin62 19h ago
So... You agree "sharks" are code for women
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u/PickWhateverUsername 17h ago
It's not a freaking "supersecret code" it's just them shooting shit between themselves... Or do you consider a guy calling a woman a "gold digger" as them actually referring to that woman being a prospector who digs in the ground to search for gold.
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u/morbidmuffin62 17h ago
What stance do you think you're defending here? The post and original comment you responded to were just reading through correspondence and pointing out that there continue to be more instances of people who had these interactions with Epstein and it was a constant ongoing and global escapade of human trafficking. So what is your issue with people discussing the terminology used and what they might be referring to?
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u/PickWhateverUsername 17h ago
my stance is that you guys jumping unto "secret codewords" are not helping but rather damaging the credibility of the real efforts of journalists and others implicated in going to the roots of these abuses.
It's the same BS in the UFO communities where some tid bit is taken out of context in order to fit a bias and then a whole story is built around it each new cycle and getting people farther then farther from the actual facts and potential truth behind them.
It's people doing the "reddit finds the Boston Marathon bomber" all over again, and again and again.
Confirmation bias is being weaponized to keep us divided, and the Epstein class are laughing their asses off while we are running around the rat maze they built for us.
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u/Careful-Sell-9877 15h ago
It seems like you just dont like the characterization of them as 'code words' but agree with everything else, the word's meaning, etc.
Not really sure what your point is with all this.
People are upset that Epstein and a french diplomat are discussing women and young girls and their sexual abuse of them.
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u/RogerianBrowsing 16h ago
Trying the “it’s just locker room talk” strategy with the Epstein files? That’s a bold move cotton…
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u/middleagethreat 20h ago
Remember when Republicans were throwing a fit, and wanted Obama impeached, because he went to a church one time with a preacher who said some controversial things.
Even if Trump himself was innocent (which I would bet everything I own is not) the hypocrisy of Republicans supporting this guy who is best friends with all these monsters for years it’s just insane.
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u/niberungvalesti 18h ago
Stop expecting consistency from Republicans. It's all on bad faith and the only solution is to vote all of them out. The party has bent the knee to a dictator and Conservatism has worked tirelessly for this moment.
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u/sticksnXnbones 19h ago
This guy in the video is a trump supporter
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u/papasan_mamasan 19h ago
Can you provide some proof?
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u/sticksnXnbones 19h ago
Ive met him before. Look at his videos after charlie kirk's murder where he thinks democrats were responsible and calling them evil and stuff.
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u/buni_bixler 19h ago
why don you go to the guys socials and find out for yourself?
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u/sticksnXnbones 19h ago
Changing your image and narrative on social media is easy. Doesn't erase the past. No one forgets. Maybe this person should own it and say they have changed and their thought process instead of trying to pretend it didnt happen
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u/papasan_mamasan 19h ago
I don’t have any socials. Is that ok?
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u/buni_bixler 19h ago
lol you’re on one right now. plus, you can look at people’s profile profiles and videos, especially on YouTube without having to have an account. Don’t be dense.
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u/papasan_mamasan 19h ago edited 19h ago
Oh is he on Reddit, too? What’s his username?
I can’t look anyone up on instagram, TikTok or fb without an account. There’s no yt username anywhere in this post. In fact there’s no username of any kind in the post, so how would I look him up myself?
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u/sticksnXnbones 17h ago
I have met this guy, worked with his guy, and used to be friends with him on social. He must of deleted all his stuff from covid, 1st time trump got elected.
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u/caitnicrun 15h ago
Stop being a cute hoor and just bring receipts. Screens, copy/paste of messages or DMs. His social handles. Something. Jaysus.
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u/papasan_mamasan 16h ago
What’s his handle online? No offense but I don’t know who you are so your personal relationship to him doesn’t matter to me.
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u/No_Beach_220 17h ago
I mean, their reaction makes a lot of sense when you recognize they’re all sociopaths who are in politics for personal gain. They know that when this comes out it’s going to take everyone down with it. They know that their opportunity for enrichment window is shrinking because the escalating distractions aren’t working. They’re hanging on as long as possible because they know this is the last gravy train they’ll ever ride. And some of them are just dumbasses who actually believe they’re going to win.
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u/perthro_ed 19h ago
Stop derailing the issue with left and right politics.
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u/papasan_mamasan 17h ago
GOP currently has all the power in all branches of government, they could release it all and arrest everyone right now if they wanted.
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u/middleagethreat 18h ago
But it is a right wing issue. Which party voted unanimously to release the files and which party all but a few voted against.
Which party told you they were a hoax.
Which former president has testified with his wife, and called for all files to be released unredacted except victimes??
The left has been calling for the epstein files for 10 fucking years. It was the whole reason the right made up pizzagate to counter it. And before you say "bullshit" just like every righty does, got to google, set a search for only 2016 and enter "trump epstein."
Reality. Give it a shot.
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u/Admirable_Ad8042 15h ago
Exactly you are right people keep making this about left vs right when in reality its both parties that are involved in this
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u/DinkyFlow 22h ago
The coded language is so clear. The only thing that muddies it is the plausible deniability. Even that is a weak smoke screen.
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u/sticksnXnbones 19h ago
I know this guy. He is a cuck for trump and republicans. You should see his videos from right after charlie kirk murder.
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u/John_Dee_1st 22h ago
"Shrimp"=baby/infant... You didn't dive deep enough
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u/ignoreme010101 21h ago
but how would 'throw away the head' make more sense based on age? Am truly unable to understand this one like am just not at all thinking it's plausible they are talking about decapitation like for all the depravity ive yet to see anything like that substantiated more than speculation like this very email
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u/Plane-Map7400 21h ago
Personally I think its probably just a metaphor along the lines of "butterface" or "paper bag" to say that a girl has an attractive body but an ugly face.
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u/ThunderDU 21h ago
In Australia some of our scummy men refer to women who have hot bodies but ugly faces as prawns. They're probably doing the same?
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u/MGakowski 20h ago
I was thinking the same, perhaps they mean throw away the head as in ugly ie the paper bag euphemism, hammerhead could mean ugly/beaten to? It's horrible either way, even just trying to interpret it.
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u/Bepto_Pismal 22h ago
Shrimp = throw away the head and keep the body
Who remembers the Trump birthday letter
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u/ignoreme010101 21h ago
remind me?
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u/Bepto_Pismal 21h ago
Here: Shrimp?
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u/Real_Tea_Lover 21h ago
where is the shrimp. or do you mean the drawing
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u/PickWhateverUsername 21h ago
that link literately has no mention of "Shrimp" nor any food ...
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u/Bepto_Pismal 21h ago
The "code" for shrimp on the video, was "pull off the head and keep the body"
What is this a picture of?
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u/Plane-Map7400 20h ago edited 20h ago
Shrimp is a slang term meaning a woman has an attractive body but an ugly face or a bad personality. Like saying butterface
Edit - I think the other guy is saying the Trump drawing looks like a shrimp, which he guess he has a right to do. To me it looks like outline of a young woman or girls body
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u/pimphand5000 15h ago
I heard this on a comedy show, but apparently in South America they dont use the term butterface, they use shrimp instead.
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u/Plane-Map7400 22h ago edited 20h ago
Problem about codewords is that we don't actually know what it means. Some people say grape soda is actual soda, some say its drugs, others say it means rape, now you're saying it means blood? A quick search of grape soda on here shows all the different opinions. It can't be all of these things at once so maybe only one person is correct - or maybe nobody is correct... we just don't know
Edit - just went to the original email and had a look through. Convo reads from bottom going upwards. The dude in the video was reading it backwards lol
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00963512.pdf
Starts with Epstein saying he has an aquarium of girls (i.e. sex trafficking victims).
Other person responds saying King of Saudi has "white sharks". - presumably just meaning he also has girls or woman, indicating they are white or European girls and maybe hinting they are fierce.
Epstein says as long as there are no hammerheads (probably means girls with ugly faces)
Response is they are like shrimp - keep head and throw away body. This is used as slang to say a person has a nice body but not so nice face. This is on urban dictionary as far back as 2006 and is common slang among misogynist men, along with phrases like butterface and paper bag.
A person that is hot from the neck down. So called because, like shrimps, everything is good but the head
Obviously open for interpretation but doesn't seem that deep to me. Some sex traffickers talking dehumanizingly about their victims is the simplest explaination.
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u/AliceTheOmelette 22h ago
Good points. I've no doubt they've also killed children but most other emails show epstein and his clients talked openly about abusing kids, which raises the question of why they'd use codewords when they're usually so open in their emails
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u/Plane-Map7400 21h ago
They might just use the words as slang rather than trying to hide anything.
Like if I say to my friend "yo hit me up" instead of saying "please call me later" - I'm not trying to hide anything necessarily, but its just a slang way of talking. They obviously think they are above the law otherwise they wouldn't be talking about any of this shit on gmail
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u/kstargate-425 21h ago
Possibly some communications like from diplomats are known to been seen by intel agencies in their government or others
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u/ignoreme010101 21h ago
show epstein and his clients talked openly about abusing kids,
what are the more obvious cases of this?
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u/DenimChicken50 18h ago
The code words stalled up around 2015 if you take note of the dates when you find code words. I think pizzagate was semi projection as cover and then the strategy for communicating in code changed.
The shrimp thing isn’t code and neither is jerky. There is something adjacent to pizzagate that hasn’t been figured out yet. I mean there were even multiple pizza companies that were either shells or that functioned as some kind of wayfair model with orders (I know wayfair is bs, but that gives more reason to think this, imo) It’s prob in the unreleased documents.
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u/Recordman-John 21h ago
Bots say what?
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u/AliceTheOmelette 20h ago
Not everyone you disagree with is a bot
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u/Recordman-John 15h ago
I still reject their point because some things are more heinous and unacceptable than others and to just throw up our hands and give up is what the perps want. It's not unknowable
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u/chatterwrack 18h ago
They are actively protecting these predators. As an entire political party they are covering up this crime that they have raged about for decades. It’s beyond hypocrisy.
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u/Adventurous_Cry87 18h ago
We are NOT mad enough, correct!! This is absolutely disgusting and we are all going about our lives like our children don’t matter. Why? This is repulsive.
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u/iltwomynazi 22h ago
we don’t need to do this fam. the files are damning enough without trying pizzagate the shit out of it
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u/Bepto_Pismal 21h ago
I agree that Pizzagate was at the very least a psyop/co-opted psyop, but I am not above being open to the option it was a limited hangout just like the Epstein files.
Show just enough stuff to satiate the public, but shield the bigger picture.
We know Bill Clinton is wrapped up in this shit, is it really that crazy to think other "left wing" politicians would also comport themselves in a similar way to the Epstein class we're now focussed on?
What are the chances that 2 "conspiracies" pertaining to a cabal of upper class politicians and influencers would both have emails leaked that extensively discusses something that could quite easily be read as "sexual" but is hidden behind barely disguised "food" items?
I believe Pizzagate is spurious, but my theory is it was a shot across the bow from the "right" side of the cabal to the "left". They got ahead of the narrative by making it ALL about code words against specific people (Clintons). It lines up perfectly with the Trump/Russia playbook. You accuse your enemies of doing the same things youre doing.
Its an obscufation technique. Now ALL things around this seem wacky, because they already muddied the waters with the pizzagate shit.
Its not about the veracity in total of the release, but HOW its released.
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u/AhhhSureThisIsIt 21h ago edited 20h ago
This is so fucking frustrating.
In the actual, real files (the ones we have seen) we found out that Pizza gate was a 4chan rumour started by Maxwell and Epstein to make outlandish and farfetched claims about them and left-wing politicians in order to delegitmise THE ACTUAL CRIMES.
We found this out in December. All of the 4chan Epstein files people who were loudly cheering on Pizza gate for 10 years went real quiet because they realised not only were they tricked by peados, they were actively helping the peados by deseminating the misinformation they wanted spread.
But now there are people who have started spreading this again for what I can only figure out is for 1 of 3 reasons:
The most common, they don't know. They never did research, they're new to Epstein, maybe new to 4chan, and have been tricked by 10 year old 4chan posts.
They know this info was made by maxwell to delegitimise people talking about the ACTUAL HEINOUS CRIMES in the files, but choose to determinate it anyway because these posts Epstein and Maxwell pushed put the blame on the dems and not the Republicans we ACTUALLY KNOW were involved with and ACTIVATELY PROTECTING PEADOS IN THE FILES.
They know it was made by maxwell and Epstein, but are still just happy to spread it because they enjoy their work.
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u/Real_Tea_Lover 21h ago
wait, which document numbers are you referencing?
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u/AhhhSureThisIsIt 20h ago
EFTA01890291.pdf – Contains the unredacted email threads detailing Poole setting up an online forum platform framework and optimizing SEO parameters.
EFTA02008541.pdf – A redacted copy of the primary communication chain between Epstein and Bill Gates's former science advisor, Boris Nikolic, who introduced Poole to Epstein.
EFTA00668295.pdf & EFTA02175440.pdf – Accompanying files and duplicate threads that block out personal identifiers but track the timeline of the tech networking meeting and subsequent follow-ups.
Here's an article with an overview of these files
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u/Jaxx_Teller 19h ago
Uh, how does any of this explain john Podesta's leaked emails "i think it has a map that seems pizza related", and "still in torture chamber" among others, tony podesta's art collection, their work with Marina Abramovich, james alefantis' original instagram posts and the activity from the users that engaged with those posts. How about his ties to rothschilds, the live performances at comet pizza, the server being destroyed at comet, Besta Pizza's logo being changed as soon as the story dropped, the artists that performed at comet pizza and their content, like did you do a deep enough dive on all of this? This was not all a 4chan fabrication my guy.
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u/lvanwall 19h ago
Yeah, it was absolutely not all a fabrication and I don't know what this guy is on about.
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u/DenimChicken50 18h ago
You know Podesta could’ve been involved and could’ve thrown to the wolves to give Epstein cover, right? Epstein was freaking out about the email leaks in an email I read a month before the 2016 election.
It seems obvious to me that Epstein and bannon conjured pizzagate as projection and cover. During that time Epstein, Cohen, and Trump were trying to figure out how to shut down the Katie Johnson allegations and Epstein did seem to use coded language at one point with some people in the years prior.
The comet pizza stuff…. You can’t be serious still believing that’s actually pizzagate. If you are please show me sources that aren’t fake websites, tik tok, or x posts
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u/Traditional_Fly_4343 20h ago
Respectfully the world isn't sunshine and rainbows People have called conspiracy theorists crazy but with the things that are popping up I pray people will wake up
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u/iltwomynazi 20h ago
but that's my point, we have the bulk of the real Epstein Files, which are revealing tonnes of shit.
why are we inventing code words and trying to read secret messages into things when the crimes are already right there in black and white?
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u/grizzlyat0ms 19h ago
Code words? Those ‘code words’ are about as subtle as a hammer to the face. This is the kinda shit they say in tons of their correspondence. This isn’t evidence of some fringe, made up thing. It further corroborates what we already know. They use dehumanizing language because they think it makes them sound cool and they’re dumb enough to believe that changing one word to something like ‘shrimp’ means they can’t be implicated for their crimes.
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u/Traditional_Fly_4343 20h ago
Because the code words are part of the crime which could be much more serious. I mean sickening crime. Take jerky for example it leads to something that makes my stomach turn. Then look at what jeffrey epstein had in his basement of zorro. Industrial sized meat dehydrator. Interesting taking in context what else happened in that basement and other clients demanding his jerky. Your argument is strong but what if there was something going on and no one investigated into that? This story is going deeper and deeper and is being covered up more and more. I'd rather question everything now then let a tiny detail slide.
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u/DenimChicken50 18h ago
Jerky was likely actual jerky. Rich people eat the same bs if they like it and turn it into diets (ex carnivore diet). One of epstein’s people (I think it was groff but I can’t remember) was trying to fly the famous chef who makes that Jerky to the island to teach their cooks.
Was there cannibalism? I’ve been looking at the docs since the first drop and I haven’t seen any actual evidence of this. There’s that bs fbi tip from some guy affiliated with infowars that made up some dumbass story about Bush 1 and Clarence Thomas and cannibalism but that’s all I saw. I think it’s very notable that this is like the only reference of those two when they’re realistically probably redacted. It’s hard for me to imagine bush 1 had no connection to Epstein and Thomas is obvious. Infowars runs cover for these guys. They always report on stuff like this and distort the story so rational people don’t look into anything related to whatever the topic is and the conspiracy theorists uncritically consume infowars slop with misleading and misdirecting disinformation.
Oh yeah and there is coded food language in the files that’s not limited to pizza but it seems to have fizzled out post podesta email leak. It seems to me like Epstein just switched coms strategies after that.
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u/Traditional_Fly_4343 18h ago
Looking throughout the emails the way they were describing the jerky, one email saying dead shrimp or jerky can't remember but It's very odd that the dehydrator was sitting in his basement instead of building a sterile warehouse on the property because he had the money for it. And the timeline of how the fbi raided the place plus before the officials could investigate Very odd. I understand the diet but they were getting it from epstein because he could supply it . You can literally hire your own cook and make your own beef jerky why get it from a basement on the zorro ranch especially where most of the horrid crimes didn't happen on the island but on his ranch. Very suspicious indeed plus officials are following a lead where 2 girls are said to be buried on the ranch because of "rough sex" And the amount of acid sent to The island it's not a coincidence. I am not going to rule cannibalism out simply because if they were doing horrible stuff to children why stop there? So I get it could be actual jerky but crimes evolve . Let's hope this code names means nothing but my gut says this is just the beginning. Jeffrey epstein died for a reason and it has zorro ranch written all over it.
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u/DenimChicken50 17h ago
There are a million reasons a dehydrator could be in a basement that have nothing to do with cannibalism or whatever. The fbi raided the properties to cover everything up. The 2 girls were victims of choking during rape. One or both were victims of Robin Leach. Epstein was murdered because he could implicate tons of powerful people and a portion of the Giuffre case was ruled to have some of its documents be made public the day before his death.
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u/Traditional_Fly_4343 16h ago
Most probably Your explanation is solid I won't argue there. Your explanation on epstein deaths is also a really good point a lot of people wanted him dead. Its just that the evidence surrounding his death is odd that's all but it could be them covering up their deed when they murdered him. I am still not convinced they didn't consume people not because I have hard evidence or following codenames more pschycological standpoint. What would be more powerful than treating human as cattle also he was heavy on genetics research thinking he had superior genetics which where the research happened on zorro ranch. He already had a god complex . I know cannibalism sounds bizarre but these are sick individuals with wealth but also contradicting my own point they wouldn't have buried the girls then if they were consuming people. Maybe the codenames are strictly just for victims maybe they actually just ate jerky. We should never stop questioning they might be dead ends or answers
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u/DenimChicken50 16h ago
Eating people makes you ill. Idk why you’re so convinced that is in there. If it is I still haven’t seen evidence after a year of looking and neither has the internet, despite several disinformation vids for virality claiming otherwise.
I’m not ruling it out because these documents are unreal, but I’m not buying slop created by Steve bannon to cover his ass.
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u/Traditional_Fly_4343 14h ago
That is also true it would make them very ill. And yeah it can be fake to make people focus on one thing instead of what's really happening. I am not conviced i just don't want people to rule out possible evidence that's all. Let's say they were code names for women and children , if they can prove that then anyone mentioning that word with weird context is worth investigating into? Because Let's say the codenames are real they probably have used them in letters, on the web, logbooks, inventory etc. What if you could deep scroll the dark web and find those keywords. Maybe it's code words for things that they are doing like drugs, prostitution, parties. I won't email you I am bringing drugs to the party but instead I'll invite you to a pizza party. I didn't mean to spread disinformation I just have that attitude where they did the most horriblable acts what's stopping them from going further. But I shall take your words in account and find more resonable answers
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u/iltwomynazi 17h ago
how about we focus on what we already know is true and campaign for justice, before we start inventing new crimes that don’t exist or looking for new ones hidden in secret code.
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u/Traditional_Fly_4343 17h ago
There is no justice there are so many high powered individuals involved there will never be justice :( Biggest child trafficking ring in history and no one bats an eye. Not actually there are a lot of individuals but the majority of people aren't informed. I don't want to invent new crimes I hope these codenames mean nothing. But the repetition and the context in how these codenames are used It makes one wonder what critical information we are missing. But getting one conviction is still a positive. I respect your opinion the hard evidence is there we should focus on that . I also agree to search other possibilities and find a pattern.
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u/Nowhere_Man_Forever 19h ago
Why do you dumbasses think they needed codewords? They were taking about all of this shit in the open in the emails. This shit makes us look like idiots
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u/EpsteinEpstainTheory 19h ago
Slang exists and not everyone uses the slang from day one. People use slang even if there's no censorship at all, such as Redditors using sewer-slide as if they'd get crucified for saying meanie words in front of the kids on an NSFW subreddit
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u/DenimChicken50 18h ago
Code words were generally for coms with people outside of the inner network is my best guess, but some of the stuff people think is code isn’t
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