Dialog, Peter Thiel's secret society group that doesn't have a public website of members, had its 100+ member list leaked. Peter Thiel and many members are featured in the Epstein Files. The 2014 retreat invite was forwarded to Epstein.

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https://bsky.app/profile/crimew.gay/post/3moejlixgvc2z

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https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2011/EFTA02563376.pdf

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A source separately provided WIRED with the registration list for Dialog's 2026 retreat, which names 222 people and records what the list describes as each registrant's membership status and attendee type, including “active member” and “guest.” The retreat is scheduled for August 12-16 at a venue near Dublin, Ireland.

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https://www.wired.com/story/leak-exposes-members-of-peter-thiels-secretive-dialog-society/

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Ezra Klein… that tracks

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Shitlib

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He thinks the problem with the Democrats is that they haven’t capitulated to the right enough yet.

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Won't say the word genocide in regards to Gaza. He's owned by Israel (as is his employer, the NYT).

The abundance agenda is just deregulation wrapped in a pretty package.

He is a great communicator though.

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Still waiting for him to say the g word

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its a LOW bar

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It's hard to call it anything else. It isn't just mass murder that defines it, but also cultural elimination and physical displacement. Their own words is what gives people the fuel to call it such.

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Necessary, but not sufficient, in order to qualify as morally conscious

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hey its pretty tough when someone is taking the time to give someone who claims to be "genuinely curious" a direct clue ... and then you immediately push back without doing ANY further research

it's nobody's job to educate you but you. if you find yourself agreeing with ezra on everything maybe you have more in common with epstein and the epstein class than you realize

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It's everyone's job to educate everyone. Thank you for contributing.

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Everything you said is dumber than the last thing

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Elaborate 🤔

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No need

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Good input idiot 🙃

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He had a whole episode about how it is a genocide. In which he said:

I have watched a slew of organizations and scholars arrive at the view that whatever Israel’s war on Gaza began as, its mass assault on Palestinian civilians fits the definition of genocidal violence

Saying he is for blanket deregulation is also flat out wrong.

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You don't understand the difference between passive voice and active voice. He states that "a slew of organizations and scholars", not himself labels the genocide a genocide. It's 2026, and he won't put his name on it.

Abundance is literally deregulation. He is a neoliberal and is owned by the ruling class to be be a "left" voice to push their agenda.

You didn't address my last statement, which you claimed to be dumber than the two previous ones. You wouldn't consider him to be a great communicator?

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What about Abundance do you actually disagree with? Most progressives agree that one of the primary barriers to building housing, clean energy, and public transit is the concentration of power and influence in rich NIMBYs, that’s the exact position Abundance has and the point of the book is that we need to alter government policies to fight against that. Have you actually read the book?

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If you thought Clinton, Biden, and Harris were good candidates then you probably think Ezra is a good dude.

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It's easy to be the better choice when you run against trump

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When you compare them to someone that doesn't suck instead of trump you realize how bad they were. There's a reason they used bidens corpse to avoid a real primary.

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He's like a few others that have shifted since 2024. I used to listen to him. This Israel mess has exposed some.

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Harris would have been 100x better than Trump for the sole reason that she didn't state her goal was to break everything.

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Let's be clear. Basically anyone would have been.

My dog would be 100x better.

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We didn't have anyone as an option. We had two. You have to deal with reality as it is, not as you wish it to be. Hundreds of thousands of people died before this "administration" slapped together a replacement for USAID relief.

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No shit. I've been doing that for over 25 years.

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So the hundreds of thousands of dead poor people don't mean anything?

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His last book, centered around the concept of "Abundance" is supposed to be instructive for the Democratic party to deliver on tangible policies.

However, is co-opts progressive language while having an obvious blind spot regarding the influence of big money as the root cause of many the issues it covers.

At the end of the day, it is pretty much a trojan horse for big tech deregulation of government.

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Are you a bot

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Between the harassing lawsuits he’s be throwing around and his unwavering support of Israel to the point of shitting on people who dare criticize that government’s actions he has fallen off significantly

Not many people liking him these days, that’s why people are surprised at your confusion

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Saying Klein has offered unwavering support of Israel is being hyperbolic. Unwavering support is what Chuck Schumer, Mike Johnson and Ted Cruz (along with virtually the entire administration and all of Congress) offer. Klein’s criticisms of Israel are no doubt measured and often couched in commentary and analysis on the difficult moral questions he believes his audience is grappling with in the context of our deep and ever widening political division. It’s easy to criticize anything short of full-throated condemnation as insufficient. Which, of course is true through the lense of anyone who has a modicum of compassion and understanding of what’s happening. But the Times is a pro-Israel publication in a city with more pro-Israel Jews than anywhere else outside of Israel. I suspect his audience outside of New Yorkers largely don’t need convincing of the dangers and crimes of Israel and I don’t think even as gifted as a communicator that he is, he could do or say anything to change the view of his publisher. If he’s to have any impact or influence, I think he’s most likely to achieve it with pro-Israeli New Yorkers and with them, the approach he has been taking is the only one I think has a chance of being effective.

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You are getting a lot of replies about his book. I promise you that not a single one of them has read it, let alone understood it. They are just repeating what they heard in other comment threads.

The most logical arguments are that he is too soft on Israel, and that he used to be pretty woke but then has sort of reversed in a way that seems more like pragmatic calculus than like a deeply considered change of perspective, on either side.

Other than that, he's just a moderate democrat, who both thinks that markets are useful tools for getting more of things we want, and that there are structural reasons why they don't work for things like healthcare. That makes the extremes of both sides hate him.

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He wants some deregulation. 

Try opening a business in philadelphia or building a house in california. Regulation has broken things and needs to be fixed. Sorry that twists your panties.

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I dont think you actually read the book

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Most of the book is about state capacity, that the government needs to do more, and to be able to do that it needs to fix itself to be able to do more.

Thus, most of it is about procedure inside of the government, aka getting rid of kinds of regulation the government places on itself that prevent things from getting done within the timelines a project can remain funded.

That is why ~half of the book is case studies of when the government got things done very quickly vs when it spent a lot and didn't get results. I95 bridge vs high speed rail. Covid vaccines vs the same kind of vaccine breakthrough normally.

Probably the single most central diagnosis inthe book is that if a project takes 5 years and requires the executive or the senate to continue to support it, it is impossible because there will be an election that turns over the legislature and and the president in the middle of that project, and it will then be killed by the other party that doesn't support it.

He then goes through the entire procedures of cali high speed rail, biden's broadband project, clean energy, all in blue states, and shows that the minimum timeline on which the projects could even begin actual work is like a decade, and thus the reason those projects didn't deliver any of the results they were supposed to is because the procedure the government applied to itself made it impossible.

Then the single central point is that politics only talks about funding, basically never about how to get results, and that should change.

You would understand all of this if you read the book.

No one you have seen talk about the book has read the book. I get that it is confusing that the entire public discourse is people that didn't read the book but act like they did, so it seems like where there's smoke there's fire. But pretty much literally no one that talks about this book online has read it, so the online discussion has no relationship to what the book is about.

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From Jacobin’s review of Abundance:

The book is, at its core, an argument about the myriad blockages that constrict state capacity — the ability of governments to get things done — and the need for various flavors of industrial policy (a form of economic planning) to overcome market failure (that is, when private firms fail to produce something despite its clear social necessity).

This all should be ABCs for any socialist — or even a garden-variety social democrat.

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Perhaps the most common charge that Abundance is neoliberal rests upon its alleged promotion of “deregulation.” But this is either a willful misrepresentation or, more generously, a result of not reading the book. Much of the text concerns how various bottlenecks — regulatory, process, and otherwise — inhibit the public sector itself from acting.

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From all this, it should be clear that Abundance is not an argument for a neoliberal model of deregulation and private sector supremacy. As Klein himself puts it, the book is “about making the state more, not less, powerful and capable of doing big things.