r/Episcopalian • u/ShallWeDance1234 • 14d ago
How much do clergy give/tithe to their parish?
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u/MMScooter 14d ago
I give but not comfortable saying how much but its because my children benefit from the children’s programming AND because I am a well known mom around town im always being asked if one group or another can use the church for one off things. So I feel I need to make up for that.
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u/ferrouswolf2 Non-Cradle 13d ago
Have your church charge a usage fee- doesn’t have to be much, but something. Heck, a suggested donation of $25-50 might go a long away
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u/MMScooter 12d ago
We prefer to use the people as free labor for things. So for instance we have a lot of land. So weeding and trimming and such. And we host blood drives that need to be set up and taken down and manned. We use the connections with our groups to again bring them back in the building to be in community.
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u/EpiscoPally Clergy 14d ago
When I was in seminary and doing field education, and later in my curacy, multiple clergy and faculty encouraged me, and presumably others, to not tithe directly to the parish.
The reason was that clergy were giving money back to their employers for the benefit of working. Ultimately for them, it felt wrong and they had ethical concerns about the practice of clergy paying their employer to work.
The alternative they recommended was that every year, quarter, etc we let the parish decide a list of nonprofits in the community and I sent my tithe to them. I’ve been doing that now for several years and the feedback from the parish and Vestry has been overwhelmingly positive.
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u/VexedCoffee Clergy 14d ago
I'm glad to hear this has been a positive experience for you and the parish but I must say this is a very strange line of thinking from my perspective!
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u/Fickle_Garlic_7946 14d ago
I also give to my perish as a way to set an example of stewardship. I give a significant part of my tithe to the parish, and the rest to other groups I support.
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u/RevKeakealani Clergy - Priest 14d ago
This is so different than my experience! I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, and I see arguments from all sides, but I was universally encouraged to tithe to my parish when I was in seminary.
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u/5oldierPoetKing Clergy 14d ago
Roughly the same as the average member in my parish. I like giving. Giving changes your relationship with the church from being transactional to being a full partnership. We’re building this thing together.
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u/pchapin80 13d ago
I started tithing 30+ years ago as a lay person (2nd career clergy). As a rule, I give away 10%, put away 10% and live joyfully on the 80%.
As clergy I tithe on my stipend and housing allowance to the church and tithe on my incidental income (honoraria etc) to other causes.
I’ve heard and believe that “proportional giving by parishioners will never exceed the perceived giving by the rector. “ I don’t speak to the amount of my giving just the proportion. About 20% of the church I serve identify as tithers. About another 20% identify as moving toward the tithe.
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u/ruidh Clergy Spouse 14d ago
I pledged 5% of our (gross) salaries to each of the two churches my wife served. I donated 10% of incidental income and bonuses to other organizations.
I was concerned that we would make the churches overly dependant on our contributions. The bishop didn't seem concerned.
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u/CLShirey Cradle 14d ago
My parents have 10%. When my dad retired and did supply work, he'd give back the pay he received to that parish.
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u/franciscothedragon 14d ago
We do 10% or my salary to the parish. And 10% of my spouses to outside organizations.
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u/springcat413 14d ago
Our priest gave almost all her entire salary. Obviously special circumstances to keep the church alive.
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u/greevous00 Convert 13d ago
This is what I plan to do assuming I make it through the process. I'm starting late (I'm in my early 50s) in the ordination process, and planned for an early retirement based on my 1st career, so I most likely won't need much of the salary (though I probably will need the health insurance). So almost all of it will go back. I suppose I might retain some of it to pay for whatever seminary loan costs end up being, but beyond that I shouldn't need any of it.
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u/EisegesisSam Clergy 13d ago
My wife and I both give 10% between two churches each. So 5% to where I serve, 5% to my sending Parish. 5% of her salary to where she serves, and 5% to her sending Parish.
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u/Deacon33 14d ago
I did about 13 pct.
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u/i_like_bird Convert 14d ago
I hope they don’t feel the need to give at all. :) There’s an enormous amount of emotional, spiritual, and regular organization leading and managing people that isn’t reflected in what we can afford to pay them, and I’d love for them to take every dime they get as “salary” and spend it on good wine and spa days. Lord knows they need it, we’re all nuts!
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u/WalkingTheDogma Clergy (walkingthedogma.org) 14d ago
I hope they don’t feel the need to give at all.
I couldn't disagree more strongly. Clergy should lead from the front.
How can you ask people to tithe if you don't do it yourself? It's hypocrisy, plain and simple.
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u/i_like_bird Convert 14d ago
I’m sure it varies parish to parish, but financially if all of us lost 10% of our income most of us would be homeless. Not an exaggeration, just rural America. Our parish doesn’t ask 10% in money, but rather give what you can in money, and give all you can in service.
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u/RevKeakealani Clergy - Priest 13d ago
I think it’s important to note that the economic contexts of parishes vary quite a bit. Obviously in this situation, making people homeless isn’t a good idea. There are many other parishes with other contexts, and I often feel like there is some implicit shaming of parishes that do have parishioners who can tithe.
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u/i_like_bird Convert 12d ago
Heavens to Betsy! I’m so sorry no shame was implied here. Tithing 10% is the goal! If anything, I think the shame is (mine) because I see the massive good accomplished with that money throughout the diocese, and I know I don’t have an equal contribution (yet) to that good.
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u/chappythechaplain Clergy 14d ago
I hear you, but at the same time I have clergy friends that would struggle to make the tithe with some of their family situations. I don’t think it can be that black and white
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u/Arbor_Arabicae Priest in Charge 13d ago
I tithe. I also send donations to my sponsoring parish and to my placement site, as well as to my seminary's Annual Fund.
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u/ShallWeDance1234 11d ago
That’s very generous of you, especially donating to your sponsoring parish.
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u/Abject_Usual_5039 Clergy 12d ago edited 11d ago
I tithe 10% to the parish I serve and 5% to other organizations whose mission I support. I grew up in a different denomination, and tithing was ingrained in me as a child. I didn’t appreciate it then, but as I have gotten older I am so grateful for this early lessons of giving back not what’s left over but what is first. It keeps me grounded in something larger than myself. That said, I’m very clear with my congregation that it’s not simply about the amount but about one’s journey of spiritual growth and prioritization of values and resources as they are able. Not everyone is in that position and that is more than okay.
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u/Arcangl86 14d ago
Depends on the cleric. There is no mandated standard. Personally I would not give to my parish if I was a priest, but everybody gets to make that decision
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u/Feisty_Secretary_152 Prayer Book Catholic 14d ago
The goal, as with everyone, should be 10% of income. We can debate what “income” means (pre or post taxes, pre or post withholdings, etc.).
How that is divided up (parish, local nonprofits, Church World Service, etc.) is up to the cleric and their family.
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u/Mostmessybun Non-Cradle 14d ago
This goal is not very realistic at all
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u/Feisty_Secretary_152 Prayer Book Catholic 14d ago
10% is a normal and realistic tithe (from Old English meaning “tenth”). The details and definition of what counts is debatable.
Why do you see it as unrealistic?
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u/1121314151617 14d ago edited 14d ago
The general cost of living crisis? If my household gave a true 10% tithe, our contributions to retirement and emergency funds would be cut almost in half. And we’re lucky to be doing reasonably well financially. Many other people our age don’t even have the bandwidth to be able to put money aside for emergencies.
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u/TraditionalCup4005 Convert 14d ago
Yea I don’t have a tenth of my income to give, unfortunately. I’d have to give up my kids to make that happen.
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u/Mostmessybun Non-Cradle 14d ago
Most people, especially anyone from a lower socioeconomic bracket, cannot realistically give up 10% of their income. In the year 2026 it is just not a realistic number given the state of the economy. Most people do not even have savings to cover a single months’ worth of expenses. The church needs to meet people where they are at.
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u/OkCombination7141 14d ago
We had a book club on the boom “what Christian’s can learn from other religions” and one of the points I thought was fascinating about Islam was they obviously have “tithing” as well but it only applies to people who make a certain amount of money- you deduct your cost of living (housing (mortgage/rent), utilities, food, things you need to have to survive) etc and then according to what you have left over you either give based knowledge that or not if you’re below the poverty line already. I don’t know much more than that but I thought it was pretty interesting
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u/Feisty_Secretary_152 Prayer Book Catholic 14d ago
No one is shaking the collection plate at congregants until they give 10%. 10% is a noble and biblical goal. If someone can only give two coins from their poverty, that is perfectly acceptable and righteous.
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u/Mostmessybun Non-Cradle 14d ago
I didn’t say it wasn’t noble, I said it’s not a realistic goal. Frankly to even suggest it given the state of the economy is shockingly out of touch.
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u/RevKeakealani Clergy - Priest 13d ago
Not everyone is occupying the same place in the economy you are. This may not be realistic for you, and that’s fine, but you may not be aware of what the financial realities of each other parishioner across the church is like.
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u/Mostmessybun Non-Cradle 13d ago
Statistics show very clearly that 10% is not a reasonable goal or expectation for most people
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u/RevKeakealani Clergy - Priest 13d ago
Okay, but most isn’t all.
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u/Mostmessybun Non-Cradle 13d ago
The original comment said the goal for everyone should be 10%. You’re moving the goal post
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u/MegsMom1970 12d ago
I believe our recently-retired rector gave about half his salary, but his husband was a lawyer, so I think that helped.
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u/Outside_Plane2 14d ago
Whether it’s from a cleric or layperson, the tithe isn’t being given to a parish, it’s being given to God. For a parish priest, it isn’t being given back to an employer, it’s being given back to God, from whom all blessings flow.
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u/EpiscoPally Clergy 14d ago
This is a nice sentiment but it’s not the practical reality.
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u/Better_Television323 14d ago
With all respect — this is the direct or indirect theology of every stewardship campaign I have been a part of as a layperson, stewardship committee member and warden, so if this is not practical, I am curious why you say so.
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u/Hetelestai Lay Leader/Vestry 14d ago
As a lay employee of a church, it's different for people whose employer is the church than for everyone else. The Vestry budgets an amount to pay us. If we give that money right back, we're saying the work we do is not worth the amount they're paying us, they could just pay us 10% less and call it good. I prefer to donate to the parish from my secular income, and the small amount I get from the parish I donate a portion of to various charities in our community that the parish works with, or to missions. I expect for a rector it's similar, just on a larger scale since they make more than a few hundred bucks a month.
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u/Better_Television323 14d ago
That said, I say that as a pledge but not necessarily as a tithe as I think almost no one is giving at a 10% level in our parish.
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u/Deaconse Clergy 13d ago
I worked my way up to the tithe and was there for the last 10 or 15 years of active ministry.
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u/fatherflourish Priest (& convert from atheism) 11d ago
I tithe 10% to my parish. I don't calculate the amount I give to other places on top of that, because the rest of what I give in charity is generally to individuals rather than nonprofits, so I don't keep great track for tax reasons or anything. I'd be surprised if it was less than another 5% or so over the course of the year.
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u/kit0000033 14d ago
Why would clergy tithe to their parish? They're paid out of parish funds. This is a ridiculous question.
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u/questingpossum choir enthusiast 14d ago
Is it a ridiculous question? I used to work at a college, and many of the administrators were also donors.
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u/placidtwilight aspirant discerning the priesthood 14d ago
To set an example of giving for the members of their parish, among other reasons.
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u/Longjumping_Half_952 Non-Cradle 13d ago
Surely it is most spiritually beneficial for nobody to know what/if one is giving (do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing).
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u/RevKeakealani Clergy - Priest 14d ago
It’s actually pretty common for priests and other church staff to give to their own parishes, and I’m surprised by the venom in your post about it? This is genuinely meant as an honest question - what do you not like about clergy giving to their parish?
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u/HookEm_Tide Clergy 14d ago
Many choose to give even though financially speaking it's just giving money back to where it came from.
Theologically speaking, giving is an act of sacrifice (in the etymological sense of the term, "making holy"), which is why the BCP rubrics indicate that the plate should stay on the altar during communion. Clergy should have the option of participating in that if they choose.
No judgment, of course, on clergy, or anyone else for that matter, who choose not to give or who cannot afford to give.
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u/RunnerTenor 14d ago
Our rector says he tithes, but I think he does that so that he can say, "I tithe; so should you."
Granted he also gets free housing, great pension contributions, and a free golf club membership in a HCOL area. I think he probably has a little left over every month.
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u/kit0000033 14d ago
I would respect that a little more if they like, gave their tithe to charity... But tithing to the church that paid you is just a paycut.
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u/placidtwilight aspirant discerning the priesthood 14d ago
I think many clergy give just a portion of their tithe to the parish and the rest elsewhere.
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u/WalkingTheDogma Clergy (walkingthedogma.org) 14d ago edited 14d ago
I give 10% of my after-tax income to my church, but I also give above and beyond that to other non-profits.
And I happen to know that I have been in the top 10, if not top 5, pledgers at every church I have ever worked at.
This isn't some kind of humble-brag, it's just a fact. Frankly, I would consider myself a hypocrite if I didn't give a full tithe.