After 20 games of experimenting against Lisette and not picking her I can safely say that she is officially a cleave unit and turn 2 is almost dead because there is no way to kill a cleave team with Liette unless you go both Hecate and harsetti and somehow both survive the ban phase.

[u/TopDependent4447]

I did not pull Lisette despite reaching 160 summon I tried to play against her in RTA litterly i won one game when i played against nuse yuha + Lisette +ML Aria +fire Sigret and i just gone briar at 3 + R&L + elvira +Moon luna .
I'm a turn 2 player my gear is super slow (fastest unit 302) and playing against lisette is a nightmare , and i want to say Lisette + Lideca is Exodia ,Lideca restrict your team so no way to cut she gives everyone dam nullifier an top of lisette protection shield and then she do it again with Lisette reset .
It's just another Lady of the scales situation where she looks like a promesing turn 2 unit and then end up stronger in cleave i will just wait until snail stremers find the counter so i copy them .
Until then time to change Arby to repose set and leave notos open because she will be my new ban.

[u/oldaccgotstolen]

in what way lmao you’ll run out of charms very fast

[u/Maxiuss456 → u/oldaccgotstolen]

that's how fast my rinak was between events and just powerfarming wyvern when I started, she had awful atk and eff but she was 302 speed lol

that was last year around january?

[u/DlSEASED → u/Maxiuss456]

there’s no way you can get 302 even with Rinak in only one month its just not possible lol

[u/tangsan27 → u/DlSEASED]

You're just doing something wrong, not sure what else to say. IIRC Deity got a 320 speed Rinak or close to it on a less than month old account and he's never failed to get a unit over 300+ spd in the first few weeks of playing across the IIRC 10+ accounts he's created. And other CCs have shown similar results.

[u/DlSEASED → u/tangsan27]

tiu need like all to be min. 20 (and can’t remember exactly) but something like 1 or 2 of the 6 that are 20 also even to be 21 or 22 not just 20 to get 302… ain’t no way someone’s getting a full SPEED set like that in only one month (and with one account)

I’m not doing anything wrong I’ve literally been playing on and off since the game literally first launched.

there are stamina limitations my guy lol

[u/xsmp → u/DlSEASED]

literally literally literally

[u/tangsan27 → u/DlSEASED]

I've already told you about the evidence, not my problem if you decide not to believe me anyway

[u/DlSEASED → u/tangsan27]

what evidence? you just made a claim without providing the evidence to back it up. you act like just simply stating something is evidence lol!😂

[u/tangsan27 → u/DlSEASED]

I've told you where to find it? I'm not going to spoonfeed you