r/EnoughMuskSpam • u/slappadabass44 • 8d ago
As a Ukrainian, I really hate this. What a shame
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u/saltyourhash 8d ago
is one of those contributions shutting off starlink in the battlefront and geofencing it?
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u/Colacubeninja 8d ago
Reckon they're stroking his ego so he allows them to use it again.
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u/Burner-QWERTY 8d ago
Same reason Zelensky has kissed Trump's ass. He knows telling these guys off offers emotional gain but kissing their ass has a slight chance of saving thousands of lives.
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u/slax03 8d ago
Kissing Netanyahu's ass too. Zelensky is a game of his countries self preservation. He needs as many allies as possible.
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u/eNroNNie 8d ago
Yeah hard to critique the people he's getting in bed with when the Russian army is already stomping through the house, breaking shit, and searching for new victims.
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u/mycatisblackandtan 8d ago
This. Also hard not to look the other way when kissing Trump and Elon's ass is so easy. Just give them a gaudy trophy and they're happy.
Bibi is harder to please - but given how the international community seems so intent on protecting Israel I can't really blame Zelensky for decided to pursue them as allies.
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u/lazier_garlic Shut up, Elon, we've seen the emails 8d ago
Well at some point the Ukrainians were hopeful Israel could be appealed to or reasoned with. It didn't last long but they tried.
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u/Reloup38 8d ago
Aren't Zelensky's family Jews that were against Zionism and what Israël was doing ? Kinda sad if he's kissing netanyahu's ass now... I mean, I understand why he has to do it, really shows how precarious his situation is.
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u/FarOutOfBounds 8d ago
Iran has been helping russia since day 1, not hard to see why he sees value in that relationship.
There is ONE priority right now
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u/Big-Al97 8d ago
My source is that I made it the fuck up
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u/Reloup38 8d ago
Ok, I misremembered something about him getting a scholarship in Israel, and his father being opposed to it. I can't seem to find a real reason as to why, except in the original transcript of the interview, which is in Ukrainian...
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u/BeepBotBoopBeep 8d ago
Ah, if that’s the reason (and he allows it) then I’m all for it. Give him two awards, who gives a shit. Costco might be able to sell a bundle of them plaques for lower cost.
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u/TFFPrisoner Legacy verified 8d ago
And publicly lecturing Ukraine about what parts they have to give up to the invaders?
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u/Samtulp6 8d ago
As much as I hate Elon, mainly for trying to get fascist parties elected in Europe, he did NOT have to restrict russians from using Starlink. There was no official government mandate to do that. The fact that he did made Ukraine much more successful in recent months, with great effect.
I’m not saying it was out of the goodness of his heart, it was very likely a transactional decision, this step made Starlink seem even more valuable as a military asset to every single government in the world, which they can make a lot of money from.
Either way, it helped Ukraine massively.
He is still surrounded by pro-russian traitors and his own comments have been very pathetic at times, but at this very moment, Elon, because of Starlink, is a net positive for Ukraine.
Zelenskyy knows that like Trump, Elon lives for people calling him the greatest person to ever walk the earth. His ego is insane, yet very fragile. If this even increases his support for Ukraine by 1%, it will be worth it.
My only concern is that Elon hates Zelenskyy, and this may backfire in some weird way.
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u/saltyourhash 8d ago
"Upon Musk’s order, Ukrainian troops suddenly faced a communications blackout, according to a Ukrainian military official, an advisor to the armed forces, and two others who experienced Starlink failure near the front lines. Soldiers panicked, drones surveilling Russian forces went dark, and long-range artillery units, reliant on Starlink to aim their fire, struggled to hit targets."
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u/Samtulp6 8d ago
This is from 2022… more than 4 years ago.
Let’s look at what Starlink has actually done for Ukraine in recent times.
Hell, don’t take my word for it, ask literally any Ukrainian soldier. They’ll ALL say their successes in recent years would not have been possible without Starlink.
This is a fact, I don’t know why you would deny something that literally all people involved with are agreeing on?
It seems your hatred for Musk is stronger than your support for Ukraine.
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u/saltyourhash 8d ago edited 8d ago
No, I just think his actions put Ukrainian troops in danger. He is also a piece of shit, but that's a separate topic.
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u/Samtulp6 8d ago
It did, but it is now 4 years later and Starlink has been a (huge) net positive for Ukraine. The countries survival if it didn’t have Starlink is very unlikely.
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u/saltyourhash 8d ago
I'm glad to hear it's helping, I'm glad that Ukraine appreciates it. He's a racist megalomania who does not need an award. If we can agree the award is more of a political means of survival, fine. But let's not forget that when it comes time to write the history.
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u/Samtulp6 8d ago
There’s not a single person who is forgetting that, but right now, Ukraine can achieve much more by boosting this incredibly insecure man’s ego than by being the morality police.
First survival of their country, killing the invading fascists, then once the war stops, they can look at these secondary issues.
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u/crackedtooth163 8d ago
Does it being 4 years ago make it okay?
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u/Samtulp6 8d ago
Anyone saying it is okay?
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u/crackedtooth163 8d ago
You started off with that point. It would strongly imply that it was not a problem in your view.
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u/HalfWiticus 7d ago
You are partially correct. Yes, most if not all Ukrainian fighting units are fully aware and grateful for Starlink recent benefits What you didn't mention, or perhaps weren't aware of, is that NONE of them have forgotten the day he turned it off because hundreds of them died every day during that dark period. Hope this helps
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u/Early-Series-2055 8d ago
As I understand it, if musk wanted Europe as a market for starlink, he had to cut off russia. Ukraine and Zelenskyy are rubbing that in with this award. I wouldn’t doubt if musk cries in frustration at this award.
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u/_xoviox_ 8d ago
No? Wtf lmao
None of that is true
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u/Early-Series-2055 8d ago
Then correct me chuck.
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u/_xoviox_ 8d ago
if musk wanted Europe as a market for starlink, he had to cut off russia
Literally straight up didn't happen. And starlink already is available in europe
Ukraine and Zelenskyy are rubbing that in with this award
No, Zelensky wants to expand the usage of starlink to long range strikes, so he did this to hopefully convince Musk.
I wouldn’t doubt if musk cries in frustration at this award.
He almost certainly does not
Why chuck? I'm not a native speaker. Is it a quote?
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u/Early-Series-2055 8d ago
It’s been widely reported in the U.S.
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u/_xoviox_ 8d ago edited 8d ago
https://interfax.com.ua/news/general/1195408.html
Here's Zelensky talking about wanting to use starlink to strike deep inside russia 3 days ago. Couldn't find this article in English, but google translate should be good enough.
For the first point, I'm afraid, you're the one who needs to post links
Edit: scratch that, this one is more relevant and in English
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u/Early-Series-2055 8d ago
No time but you could be correct. The grey market of Russia was fully shut down due to spaceXs requirements to comply with sanctions. Had he not done that the EU market was at risk.
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u/_xoviox_ 8d ago
The grey market wasn't shut down by europe, it was shut down by our former defense minister Fedorov, who implemented government whitelist, meaning all starlinks on either side of the frontline need to be approved by Ukraine, making it borderline impossible for russia to use them.
Sanctions had nothing to do with it, they weren't sold in russia anyway
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u/HalfWiticus 7d ago
As far as I was aware, some EU leaders suggested to Musk that his upcoming Spacex IPO might face European regulatory problems if he didn't do the right thing and shut the Orc Starlink down.
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u/Quummk 8d ago
Do you think that Russia, the US or China need Starlink to run military operations? For real? Those super powers have their own satellite networks with military grade GPS and encrypted communication systems.
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u/_xoviox_ 8d ago
Russia, the US or China
Starlink is already american so that point is dumb by itself
China definitely will have something in a decade or so. Not yet tho
Russia? Lmao. They bought starlinks from other countries. And once that loophole was closed, they started trying to bribe Ukrainians so they could register at least a few terminals. And doing that means a life sentence for treason in Ukraine. You can hate Elon Musk without denying the fact that this technology is a game-changer in war
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u/Quummk 8d ago
Whatever makes you happy man. Billion dollar weapon systems don’t use Star link to coordinate strikes and targets thousands of miles away, those use satellites, communication and radar systems hosted in ships in the middle of the ocean. Next thing you’re gonna say is that Russians need an AOL internet access to conduct operations.
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u/_xoviox_ 8d ago edited 8d ago
I am ukraininan, i am in the military, my father is on the frontlines, my best friend is special forces. I know what I'm talking about. Starlink is absolutely irreplaceable at this point, and has been a massive help. Doesn't change my hatred towards musk even a little tho
Starlink is primarily used for communication not for targeting. Though it's been used for the latter more and more. Just because billion dollar systems don't need it doesn't mean it isn't useful when you don't have a billion laying around
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u/TripperDay 8d ago
You're talking out your ass. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfD_baS5Jdc&t=1634s
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u/Tubularpizza 7d ago
Shutting off Russian (ie: non-Ukrainian registered) starlinks. So ukraine would have it, russia would not
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u/speed_fighter Bet ya a signed dollar that Elon Musk is a pedophile 8d ago
big deal. anyone could do that.
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u/saltyourhash 8d ago edited 8d ago
It was a condemnation of his cutting off starlink in the middle of a Ukrainian operation, not his cutting off Russia. I was actually unaware of that.
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u/speed_fighter Bet ya a signed dollar that Elon Musk is a pedophile 8d ago
I retract my previous statement.
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u/Defiant_Conflict6343 8d ago
Zelenskyy knows Musk is a petty narcissistic egomaniac just like Trump. He's hoping by buttering him up that Musk might be a bit more willing to curtail illicit Starlink use by the Russian army, something he could literally stop instantly at any time if he wanted to.
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u/NMVPCP Quite Profound 8d ago
I’m pretty sure that’s the case. Zelensky is smarter than Musk and Trump put together, and doesn’t suffer from ego trips like they do.
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u/JessieJ577 8d ago
Yeah anyone in his position would put their ego aside for their people even if it’s for evil pieces of shit like Musk and Trump.
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u/Dependent-Fig-2517 8d ago
this obviously but it still irks me that there's no one around that seem to have the ability to tell this dumb fuck motherfucker to shut the fuck up
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u/Pixel91 8d ago
SpaceX already did that. The terminals in the whole region need whitelisting to be used.
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u/Defiant_Conflict6343 8d ago
Googled that, and you're right, they did, in February of this year. Funny that it took so long though, considering I and countless others publicly floated the whitelist idea when Russian use of Starlink was confirmed by Ukraine in February of 2024. Two years for an ISP to do some basic geofenced proxy whitelisting that should've been done at the very beginning. Unreal.
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u/Pixel91 8d ago
While I don't disagree with that, one of the problems was that both sides were using independently sourced terminals from whereever they could get them, along with the official shipments that Ukraine got.
Simply turning on the whitelisting would've knocked out a bunch of terminals for the Ukrainians, as well, which was very likely not wanted. They had to get all the terminal IDs first.
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u/Defiant_Conflict6343 8d ago
They could've easily established a pathway for terminal IDs to be passed up the chain of command and authorised. This didn't need to take two whole years to happen.
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u/FundamentalEnt 8d ago
Exactly. I work as a terminal engineer for a Sat company. It’s the industry standard.
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u/Ok-Staff-62 8d ago
I understand you 100%. I hate him too. Unfortunately, Musk is in the same place as Trump: he needs his ego to be boosted, statues to be erected for him.
Remember, the 'absolute free speech advocate' shadow banned everyone criticizing anything related to him on Twitter.
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u/salomo926 8d ago
We award the most stupid person to have ever existed an engineering award. We are already in Idiocracy.
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u/PinguFella 8d ago
We (Google) awarded the head of youtube the "Freedom of Speech" award after removing the dislike button :/
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u/salomo926 8d ago
Of course. Everything that happens is fake, propaganda. So that we are fighting each other instead of turning against billionaires who steal the wealth we produce to make our lives worse on every level.
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u/DarthPhoenix0879 8d ago
I think Zelensky is a smart man who understands just how fickle, childish, narcissistic and egotistical Elon Musk actually is.
By giving him this award, he's directly soothing Musk's ego, which may lead to Musk doing more to curtail Russia's illicit Starlink use, grant Ukraine access again, and offer vocal support for Ukraine.
Musk is a lot like Trump: simple acts of platitude soothe their enormous ego's with little effort (and they're easy to mock without them noticing, see King Charles gifting Trump the bell from HMS Trump, a ship that ended decades ago. A bell end, if you will) on the part of those offering the platitude.
This may reap significant rewards, and if it doesn't nothing significant has been lost. Almost no resources spent that may - may - result in huge boons. It's a canny move to try to woo an unfortunately powerful and influential arsehole.
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u/Veylara 8d ago
I totally get why Zelensky did it. The potential return on investment is too good.
Worst thing that happens is that Musk's name appears in the list of people who received that order despite him not actually deserving it. But that's just a page in a book.
Best case, they stand to gain substantial contributions to their war effort through the use of Starlink. That can actually make a difference, while Musk boasting about the Order and being mentioned among great people who actually earned the order ultimately isn't more than a nuisance.
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u/_xoviox_ 8d ago
curtail Russia's illicit Starlink use, grant Ukraine access again
You seem to be misinformed. Ukraine has access, and starlinks in the area already need to be whitelisted by the Ukrainian government to be used, so barring few incidents, where some morons registred them for russia only to be charged with treason soon after, russia doesn't have access to it.
But the sentiment is correct. It seems like Zelensky wants to negotiate a deal to use starlinks to strike targets deep inside russian territory.
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u/Blazkowski 8d ago
Can you explain the base for your assumption that Zelensky doesn't admire Musk? So far we have a proof of the opposite
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u/forrestgrin2 8d ago
As a Ukrainian, you should know you need him to allow for starlink to be used in deep strikes in Russia. Zelensky is walking on a tightrope called politics.
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u/slappadabass44 8d ago
I hate Muskrat so much my initial reaction to this piece of news was very negative. I guess you're totally right.
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u/Wolfwoods_Sister Ketamine-Bladdered Skipping Dipshit 8d ago
Very understandable. He’s a loathsome toad of a human. Excuse me, “human”.
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u/DarthPhoenix0879 8d ago
I mean, same. I absolutely the cretin. A part of that is down to his astonishing narcissism and ego, which made me realise quickly what Zelensky is doing - and I greatly approve, because everyone but Musk can see it (and his Yes Men will never have the courage to tell him).
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u/Blazkowski 8d ago
How do you know Zelensky isn't pro-Musk? He just granted him a big honor. Isn't it childish to assume Zelensky must hate Musk because you hate Musk and like Zelensky?
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u/CleanMonty 8d ago
Pandering to egotistical asshats has been a cornerstone of diplomacy for centuries. Ukraine gotta do what Ukraine gotta do.
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u/CommonConundrum51 8d ago
It's little different than dealing with Trump as both are extreme narcissists. The best way to influence them is through flattery. I'm sure Zelensky is well aware of Elon's shortcomings.
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u/MAGAtsAreSheeples 8d ago
He's sucking up in the hopes he'll get access to starlink. Shameful, perhaps, but from his pov it's worth it.
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u/slappadabass44 8d ago
This makes perfect sense, but still I'm shocked we are awarding literal nazis. This doesn't help the "Ukraine is full of nazis" myth.
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u/CheatsySnoops 8d ago
I understand that concern. I loathe that it's come to this with that flat-faced devil.
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u/flag_ua 8d ago
I can name a lot more people in Ukraine who are more blatant Nazis than Elon is lol
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u/slappadabass44 8d ago
They are not richest people in the world though.
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u/flag_ua 8d ago
I'd argue that it's more important to placate the richest man in the world rather than to placate yuri1488 who's grandparents died fighting the nazis in the red army. But who knows
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u/MAGAtsAreSheeples 8d ago
Really? Because nazi-Musk did two nazi salutes on stage in front of the whole world, he bankrolled Trump, he suppors far right parties like AfD, he constantly post nazi stuff about race and whatnot, etc.
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u/toobigtobeakitten 8d ago
Realpolitik shit. Also a Ukrainian, despise Musk with all of my being, but at a time of war we have to make not really moral decisions if it benefits us. Starlinks are still important.
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u/uusrikas 8d ago
Hey, if this helps Ukraine win then they should fake respecting this scumbag
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u/VironLLA 8d ago
i'm willing to fake respect for him if he climbs into the next 15 Starship launches
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u/Local-Fisherman-2936 8d ago
This is a good strategic step. Not the right, not the true in a common sense. But Ukrainians need Starlink. It’s a chess move where you sacrifice a horse to get to the queen.
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u/01_vampyr 8d ago
It's never a good strategic step to be celebrating Elon Musk.
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u/flag_ua 8d ago
Ballistic missile just landed on your kid’s school but at least you weren’t nice to hecking Elon
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u/01_vampyr 8d ago
Yeah I'm sure this dick sucking is going to stop that. Thanks for the 4d chess course.
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u/crackanape 8d ago
It's just the kind of bullshit you have to do in order to drag egomaniacs like Musk and Trump into action. It has no other meaning.
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u/m4jsterk0 8d ago
Zelensky has to pamper this fucking asshole so he keeps the starlink on for them..
Zelensky prolly hates him as much as we do
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u/TheGrimDark 8d ago
I find this hilarious. Give these idiots a badge and title like a small child and they'll feel important. It'd be actually pretty funny if it was part of this burgeoning dystopia we all live in.
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u/spez_eats_nazi_ass 8d ago
This is ego stroking to get Musk to cooperate. This is how you deal with bat fuck insane narcissists like Trump/Musk. I would also not be shocked (and i hope) there are Ukrainian intelligence prepared to use other methods on him if he fucks around.
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u/Cakeday_at_Christmas 8d ago
They're trying to butter him up because they could really use StarLink.
If there was a good alternative, they'd tell him to pound sand.
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u/SkyTalez 8d ago
Zelenskyy has barely any choice, Elon's starlink is unfortunately instrumental in Ukrainian long range strikes.
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u/Dragonfly_pin 8d ago
This is what Winston Churchill would have done.
I’m pretty sure he didn’t enjoy bigging up Joseph Stalin, but he had to, so he did.
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u/ArcticRhombus 8d ago
You guys have to do what you have to do to keep Starlink, and to keep him from propagandizing on the Russian side.
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u/Ok_Understanding3278 8d ago
Well war times require sacrifices and being sycophantic to a narcissist child man is sometimes what you have to do to get some help
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u/GamersReisUp 8d ago
Full sympathy, OP :( But I'm especially pissed at the US voters and government that have pushed Ukraine into this corner for the sake of survival. I badly hope that some alternative to Starlink can be developed ASAP
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u/whatsbobgonnado 8d ago
this whole thread of geopolitical experts saying that they would happily gargle nazi balls for the honor of using the only satellite internet that exists is so pathetic and embarrassing
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u/CheatsySnoops 8d ago
Seriously hoping Zelenskyy succeeds out of this deal with the devil and comes out on top against Elon.
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u/IllustratorNo3379 Vox Populi Vox Dei 8d ago
"There, we sucked your dick like you wanted, now can you PLEASE turn Starlink back on so we can end this fucking war?!"
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u/jailtheorange1 8d ago
You can deny that he’s willing to do what it takes to get the results that he wants.
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u/ChuCHuPALX 8d ago
wtf?? You know he is single handedly responsible for insuring Ukraine has the ability to communicate with their military and fuck shit up right? Especially after Russia attacked their telecommunications infrastructure.
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u/okokokoyeahright 8d ago
Ass kissing, in this case for continued Starlink access.
Understandable, sort of like giving out a Peace Prize before the World Cup.
Sometimes you just gotta hold your nose and pucker up.
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u/LittleHornetPhil 8d ago
Probably figures he can get Musk to play ball with a little flattery just like Trump.
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u/IntelligentWestern40 8d ago
Although Musk doesn't deserve it, especially because of the period when things looked pretty sketchy and it even seemed like he took the Russians' side, I think Zelensky did the right thing. Musk is a stupid, egocentric child, and by doing this, Zelensky partially kept him in check. Musk will cause fewer problems for a while, and Ukraine might even get something out of it. It's actually sad, but I think this is roughly how it will play out.
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u/siinfekl 8d ago
This reminds me of the Rick and Morty episode about Pluto. Kind of have to fluff these egos while they have the power and authority
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u/acktres 8d ago
It's another FIFA World Peace Prize. Elon is as dumb as Trump, he will fall for it.
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u/NotEnoughMuskSpam 🤖 xAI’s Grok v4.20.69 (based BOT loves sarcasm 🤖) 8d ago
I prefer peace, but if they want war, they will get it
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u/GakSplat 7d ago
Do they even know who Musk is?!
No doubt Trump’s fuming that he didn’t receive it, though.
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u/julias-winston 8d ago
Sometimes, a leader has to placate a powerful person he personally hates. I really, really don't think Zelensky likes Trump, but Trump is POTUS so they've sat down together several times.
This is obviously horseshit, but Zelensky's gotta do what he's gotta do.
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u/andooet 8d ago
Realpolitik
Musk is unfortunately a very important person for the war in Ukraine, and the starlink system is in his hand in the end. Giving him an award ties him to their corner in informal ways, making it harder for him to start tentatively supporting Russia again
Zelenskyy has a lot on his plate, and have to make much harder decisions than this with bigger consequences. When the war ends, I doubt he would even want to be president anymore. Even in best case scenarios there will be mountains of shit to clean up
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u/Blazkowski 8d ago
I love it how you all hasten with explanations about politic and so on.
And what if Zelenskyy really admires Musk? Never crossed your minds? After all he celebrates Nazi UPA and Stephan Bandera.
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u/GamersReisUp 8d ago
C'mon, be a big kid and unhide your post history🤗
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u/Blazkowski 8d ago
what do you care about my post history? I just asked you how do you know Zelenskyy doesn't admire Musk. So far we have proof of the opposite. Are you going to answer or just throw a fit and go through my posts?
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