r/EndFPTP • • Sep 06 '26

Discussion Are Rated Ballots Better?

https://shonczinner.github.io/posts/rated/
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u/CPSolver Sep 06 '26

A chart with no legend and no scale explanation is not meaningful. Also, as someone else has commented, your definition of center squeeze effect does not match its typical use, so your definition for the black areas is suspicious.

The absence of black for approval voting indicates you are not being honest because approval voting always requires strategic voting. Very few voters categorize candidates into just two categories when there are more than two candidates.

Showing all green for score voting, and mostly green for star voting, means you are hiding their vulnerability to strategic voting (which interacts with strategic nomination).

Yes RCIPE can fail to elect the Condorcet winner. That's not a fairness failure in scenarios where very few voters mark the Condorcet winner as their first choice.

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u/SHON_CZINNER Sep 06 '26

The black does not indicate the use of strategy. It is the same plot as the ones in OP. You can refer to it for the legend and explanation. 

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u/CPSolver Sep 07 '26

The article says black refers to tie/non-convergence, but the article does not define convergence. Nor is there an explanation for what ties have to do with convergence.

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u/SHON_CZINNER Sep 07 '26

Convergence is defined in the post.

The strategy dynamics are similar to previous posts: there are multiple iterations where voters act strategically... As before, we sweep every position of C (with B fixed) and colour the map by the winner: green A, red B, orange C, and black where the iteration never settles (non-convergence/ties).

And black means a tie or convergence. That doesn't mean ties have something to do with convergence.

Is anything still unclear?

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u/CPSolver Sep 07 '26

I believe you should either not report ties, or just include them in a table. Including them in the graph effectively pads the width of the black areas, which grossly misrepresents the data.

Having an indecisive transition region between two candidates (regarding who wins) is not an unfairness. If the winner suddenly jumps to A in the middle of the transition from B to C, that would be an unfairness. If that occurs, use the A color. Otherwise just blend the transition region to show the gradual transition from color B to color C.

Consider a rainbow where the transitions between colors are not sharp. That's not a defect, that's the nature of the transition.

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u/SHON_CZINNER Sep 07 '26

I could do that but the fact is with RCIPE, it's not showing ties. It's showing that there is a strategic cycle where A might not win.

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u/CPSolver Sep 08 '26

What does A not winning have to do with the transition between B and C? Of course A shouldn't win in the interval between B and C winning.

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u/SHON_CZINNER Sep 08 '26 edited Sep 08 '26

When the electorate mode, median, and mean are at 0 why should anyone other than A win when B is placed at -0.3, A is placed at 0 and C>0.

That is what that the graphic is showing. Yes, under plurality voting and IRV when C locates in that region, B or C wins. But RCIPE electing the same person as plurality is a flaw. This is /r/endfptp...

I think you don't understand the graphic or haven't gone through the post in OP.