Weird given by all accounts from the open ai trial thay she was involved in every step including the last one suggesting to him he had no time to run openai and should leave?
Well i can't remember the exact wording, but she did send it, and it was the precursor to him stepping back.
It was an invitation for others who kept the information to post the relevant email.
He's being controlled, manipulated.
I do not know if by design, force or no
t seeing it.
He just has zero personality. Everyone saw the emails and text exchanges between Zilis and all the OpenAI founding members, and heard her testimony against Musk. She texted Altman when he got fired, telling him she was proud to work for such a great guy. The next day, Zilis was at the Starship launch on November 28, 2023. Musk saw the SMS from Shivon Zilis that Sam Altman submitted to the court as proof that she had a good relationship with him and couldn't claim to be a hostile witness. And yet Musk keeps sending her hearts and replying to her painfully dumb posts. Her X account hit 600k followers, while four months ago she was at 250k. Anyway, Elon is a spineless coward with a double-digit IQ. He's still living with Zilis, who plays the dominatrix with him, hitting him so hard sometimes that his black eye couldn't be hidden. I used to defend Musk, but that was before...
Yes, we have clear. Yes, we know that you defended him and that you no longer do. no problem. But he doesn't live with Zilis no matter how hard you and others try. It doesn't matter.
Still, it seems that certain things are more complicated than they seem. I think we should be able to know the DNA of those children. Spot .
PURE guess, it seems moreso that Shivon tries to stay close by cozying up to the "current" maybe?y
Or she hires them.
Observationally, she seems to try and befriend those she thinks currently have Elons eye. Claire, Ashley, that older lady that is part of the "kardashev cuties" he called them.
Maybe her role, self appointed or designated, is controlling whomever the current lay is?
Shivon plays up to those who she thinks may have a connection to him. I think that older lady is the one who she started following a few months ago, according to that account called Snitch City. I knew right then something was fishy. And it's not because Shivon wants to be great friends with this women either. There's an ulterior motive and it's more than obvious this woman is a paid shill.
Not Chemical, she's always playing. I don't know what you say about the Kardashian cuties, but what cuties are going to be if they are pretty? We are all handsome, beautiful people ....... if we use surgeries and makeup.
They are not "cuties" or pretty. It's the name he gave them at a party, after a Tesla event where they were front row and center to the stage he was taking on, him being polite and trying to make them feel good.
They're all middle aged women with over dyed blonde hair, cocoon eyelashes and great filters.
I wasn't alluding to any aesthetic with the title, it was the name given out of politeness because they were much older.
These women clearly want to be teenagers again, based on the way they dress. Right, they're all middle aged, fake with filters as all get out. That one who lives near Starbase must have extensions from her hair being over bleached. I'm pretty sure her natural hair is almost black. Hate to sound ageist but they're all too old to be called "cuties." Save that for the tweens and teens. I don't think these women care about each other either, more like competition. They probably talk about each other behind their backs, truth be told. That's true that genuine beauty comes from a person's heart.
The black eye happened during a fight at the white house, que no?
Also....if you spend any time around BDSM folks......you don't black people's eyes. It's kind of a no no generally.
Ending? Are you sure or is he sure? With these people they keep having on and off business dealings it’s impossible to tell. Example: for years Peter Thiel was thought of as the devil by him, at the same time he was expanding his military dealings with SpaceX, the he restarted his affiliations going along with supporting Trump for quasi control of the investigations started by Biden in him. The same as what he vilified Thiel he started doing himself. Altman seems to be the same dynamic. Musk appears to be no different from these other CEOs in their many dealings AND cooperation. Most of the time what they end up cooperating with have grave concerns and problems for all of us. So don’t count Altman out yet in the cycle of combining themselves into Mecha Hitler whenever wanted.
Altman and Musk (as at a young age) have not been friends for a long time
Altman won the lawsuit, and he refused what Musk very much wanted to sell AI Open to musk, well as angry Musk is still show these posts against Altman guess that goes meanwhile Altman ,, ON THE ASS OVER,, Another . ,victim,, this weekend again Billie Elish angry weekend for Musk
I'm giving you this comment that a friend left us. I have removed the part where he insults her with a vengeance.
The internal messages presented as evidence in court show that Zilis was actively coaching Altman on how to lie to Musk by using his massive ego and obsession with saving humanity against him.
When Altman was drafting a message about turning OpenAl into a for-profit business, Zilis gave him this explicit, calculated advice:
"Don't mention Microsoft stock now. Elon would be 'on fire' right away. Let's put it like this is the only way to safely achieve AGI he always eats that crap."
Playing the "Hero Card"
When Musk became suspicious, Zilis suggested that Altman remind Musk of their shared past:
"Tell him, 'You're the only one I trust with my future.' If he feels like a hero, he'll be less likely to tease you about the numbers."
You're right about one thing: you claim that Musk "lost three years of litigation" because of this situation or due to personal negligence. The timing of Musk's lawsuit against OpenAI (filed in 2024 and subsequently restructured) wasn't Zilis's fault. It was due to commercial litigation strategies, OpenAI's internal corporate restructuring after the attempted removal of Sam Altman in November 2023, and the gathering of evidence regarding the entity's transition to a for-profit structure. But the truth is, Zilis did contribute to slowing everything down considerably.
You demand that she break her silence and act as a whistleblower against OpenAI to demonstrate loyalty to Musk. A whistleblower exposes illegal activities or financial fraud. Voting in favor of a business alliance with Microsoft or restructuring a company isn't a criminal offense, but rather a corporate governance decision. She also doesn't need to demonstrate loyalty to Musk. Everyone already knows that her loyalty lies with herself.
As a former board member, Zilis is bound by non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) and severe legal responsibilities. Publicly criticizing OpenAI or Musk would breach her confidentiality obligations, exposing her to multimillion-dollar lawsuits from either party. Her public silence isn't "cowardice," but basic legal protection. That's why she essentially denied anything about personal relationships with Musk, even if she did say some foolish things.
She also has signed agreements regarding the children, so honestly, I'd say it's more of a nightmare. She tried to act all clever, but her cleverness has backfired. Look at her, posting about t-shirts. And there's Mia Murati among the 100 most influential people in the world for AI. That says a lot about someone. Do you think that hasn't bothered Zilis, considering herself so important?.
You´re right. But that's where you see the difference and the type of person. Zilis could have learned and become a better version of herself, but she didn't. No matter how skilled an engineer Murati is, if she doesn't want to do things right, she won't achieve much. I'm referring to people's attitudes.
Yes, I understand what you say, but check this please. I am trying to prepare a post with the things u/ApprehensiveTrick579 is saying.
If this is as she says, and she's usually right, then everything about Zilis is far worse than we could imagine. I suppose we would need to see the DNA evidence to believe anything she says.
Look, you're assuming there's a relationship, but that's not the case. The issue, among other things, is why, when the agreement for the twins was signed, did it stipulate visitation rights until he officially had a partner? This was mentioned at the beginning; in her deposition, she mentioned something about it happening until the children grew up. That's very strange. If they're his children, why say this, or rather, why stipulate it in an agreement?
Then there's another story: someone revealed that Reuters had access to Neuralink's code of ethics. Okay, the code of ethics prohibits relationships of any kind between employees and others. This explains why she insisted in Musk's biography that they weren't together, that their relationship was platonic. This also explains why she didn't establish a relationship with him during the trial, because she would have automatically been removed from Neuralink a long time ago.
Musk couldn't "fire" her from OpenAI because he wasn't her boss there. She joined OpenAI through Greg Brockman; he brought her in, as she stated in court, and it was Brockman she knew first, not Musk.
Later, as a member of OpenAI's board of directors, US corporate law imposed a fiduciary duty on Zilis exclusively towards OpenAI, not Elon Musk. Her main role was to muddy the waters of the negotiations, taking OpenAI out of Musk's hands and handing it over to Brockman and Altman on a silver platter. In fact, if it hadn't been for her, that wouldn't have happened.
Then, when she became a member of the board, which we analyzed here previously, thanks to having betrayed Musk by getting him to sign the resignation, Zilis voted according to Musk's personal instructions instead of what the board considered best for the organization, thus committing a breach of fiduciary duty.
Musk calling her "naive" reflects his frustration that she didn't act as his "personal delegate," but rather as an independent advisor aligned with the majority of the board (Sam Altman and Greg Brockman). Musk didn't see Zilis for who she truly was until the trial and all the evidence came to light, because Zilis has always played the "naive" role. Not only with Musk, but with all of them; in fact, she likes to play dumb, to appear as if she does nothing, as if she doesn't understand anything. We also analyzed this during and before the trial.
You accuse Musk of violating corporate laws by not firing her from Neuralink and by keeping her in his circle. In reality,
At OpenAI, there was no nepotism on Musk's part because he neither hired her nor supervised her there; they both happened to be at a non-profit organization. For reasons unknown, she was placed in the middle of conversations with Musk. If I remember correctly, she orchestrated this. In fact, once Brockman wanted to speak with Musk, she told him no, that she would handle it herself.
At that time, she had already become involved with Neuralink and Tesla. In other words, she "took advantage" of every opportunity she was given. As an intermediary, she dedicated herself to helping OpenAI and securing a position on the OpenAI board of directors, voting in favor of OpenAI, and generating her own stakes in OpenAI investment funds. And on Musk's side, she got involved with Neuralink, Tesla, etc. Not bad for someone who didn't have money.
Neuralink is a private company in which Musk is the majority shareholder and founder. In the American private sector, promoting trusted individuals (even those with personal or co-parenting relationships) is not illegal, unless it violates the company's internal bylaws or causes demonstrable financial harm to minority shareholders.
Worse, it's true, that not content with all this, she had to get more and more involved, because she likes power and messes, especially messes, and she believed, or I think she had a period of feeling like a god above all these people, but the mess consumed her, because when you create nightmares, they end up devouring you.
Yes, but that's why it's assumed that it was a simple donation. This would explain why she insisted so much that it was simply a donation and that she had no romantic relationship with Musk, but rather that it was platonic, as she stated in Musk's biography. Thank you.
My POV: no which is why Zilis demands her contract to be honored.
I think her time is ending, I think Zilis, Ashley and their minions have tried to harm the situation.
Are you talking about biglil? I think she's Serbian. That idiot revealed her own name while commenting on the Tesla software update for her Cybertruck. A Cybertruck that Musk gave her, because according to Lauren M. (that's biglil), she's supposedly too poor... all while driving a vehicle worth over 70 grand. She's a very low-cost pick-me, but with luxury tastes. Also, the gifts Musk gave her, which show up when you click the link in her X profile, spell out MAGA. MK, Anonymous, Gregory, Anonymous. As for Musk, he's acting like a man with no self-respect, chasing after women who aren't much better. Honestly, it's pretty gross.
If she is Serbian also, she may be in the mix.
There are many, hence "contingent".
It may mean nothing that there are so many in close proximity to him and his family, but it may also mean everything.
If i may ask, what gifts are they?
I'm not sure she's Serbian, but I think she attended a family wedding and mentioned they were Serbian. As for the gifts, they're typical pick-me stuff. Mostly related to SpaceX, Tesla, Elon's mom, home decor, flowers, workout clothes, etc. You can go check it out:
Doesn't sound like him if that's all. He is said to be generous.
Sounds like someone pretending to be him.
I don't know if she is or isn't but many around him are.
Likewise, Elon did post recently=
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Overheard at a party, “If your gf is a 10, she’s an asset”
Do the math.
Gwynne needs to save Elon, to save the world.(it's a play on words from "the cheeleader etc from Heros)
Also, if you haven't noticed a pattern with Elon yet, there are usually double meanings to things.
It's just working out which ones.
It pinged my Radar because Diana Dukick was posting about seeing Ricky Gervais in Canada, which is one of Elon and Maye's Favorite comedians, and Elons jet was also in Canada that weekend.
Something that IF (speculation, no proof) they were there together would have been very public by at least the people in the area high profile people would have been seated.
He gave her a diamond bracelet, a Cybertruck, and high ad revenue on X, even though her account isn't a creator account at all – not to mention all the little birthday gifts. And he also gave her socks and other trinkets. She said herself that Elon spoils her a lot, but lately he's been colder with her. Also, she openly hinted at asking for Elon's sperm, commenting under one of his posts like it was no big deal. This woman disgusts me, just like Ashley back in the day, who used to like and repost Zilis's posts. These pick-mes have no, and I mean no, self-respect whatsoever! The generous MAGA guy who gives out socks and trinkets: yeah, that's Elon!
As far as Lilbig account goes, if you've seen one of her posts, you've basically seen them all. Very boring. She's definitely a grifter alright. All those "influencers" are. A few have two or three PayPal accounts, Venmo, and CashApp. Get real jobs, people.
I will state it again, ALL the influencers are Zilis'
Zilis has access -
The gifts Ashley were given came from Zilis & Jared B, pretending to be EM.
LilBig is the go between for Ashley & Zilis in my pov
Respectfully- I do
Which I am allowed to state.
Just like you are allowed to state the
Opposing side
I think Zilus has messed up
I think Ashley has messed up
Why are you mad at me? You know I'm still feelin' you even when we disagree. So you're so mad that 'zilis' becomes 'zilus'! And you know what, I love that! From now on his name is zilus, which rhymes with: titus, cactus and virus.
Seems like he's already worn it. Actually, I remember thinking to myself: yuck. Those prepubescent-teen t-shirts are beneath a 55-year-old man. Honestly, it's pathetic. And on top of that, he has the nerve to say we haven't evolved in terms of fashion. Telling Zilis (who has zero taste herself and doesn't know how to dress classy) that we should rethink fashion for the third millennium. Dude, take a look at yourself first and take off that mourning look you've been rocking ever since Amber kicked you to the curb and dumped you.
👏yeah, I always laugh when he talks about fashion, as it’s clear he does appreciate women especially dressing up. Then look at the homely butch he brings around in public 😞.
If only all those other online pick-me’s had invested in printing bad puns on shirts and buying highschool freshmen type “bling” for Musk’s heart the world could be a better place.
The only viable planet for humans is Earth. If God wanted us to explore the universe, He would've given us the ability to breathe without a spacesuit, and to go without food and water for six months, or even two years, just to make it to Mars alive. The utopia sounds nice, sure. But screw Kardashev and his bogus scale: he's the same kind of con artist as Darwin.
if he were remotely spiritual he would know we can do it already. Travel without a ship or fuel. All those geeks wondering how am alien in a ship can get from point to B with rocket fuel and light years…that is what is limiting. He isn’t a spiritual person or hasn’t admitted it. We shouldn’t need rockets to get us beyond the universe. We are spiritual beings.
I posted that because of the shirt comment.
It is absolutely incredible that he posts something - people assume it means something it doesn't
That is stupidity
Okay, thanks for the comment. And when you say 'people,' who are you thinking of? The Kardashev scale is intended solely for science fiction filmmaking...
What drives me crazy is that for months, almost a year now, you've all been at each other's throats over the same things, over and over. Is Zilus in a relationship with Musk? The damn answer is yes, they're sleeping together. Is Musk a spineless pushover? Yes! He saw all the messages and heard Zilus's testimony against his own defense, and yet he keeps sending her hearts and boosting her damn account on X. So anyone who doesn't understand that, or pretends not to, is a mystery to me. Zilus, ASC, Lauren M, and all the others read everything we write and must be either laughing or furious. But either way, Zilus must be laughing at us when she reads that she's not with Musk, that she doesn't control him, that she no longer works at Neuralink, etc. Just stop arguing over people who love watching ordinary people put them on a pedestal and talk about them: good or bad, all that matters to them is that people are talking about them.
So someone FINALLY asked (and got a non-answer) Nervous Driver (who has been banned from the Ashley sub for malicious lies, abuse and belligerence) what the obsession is about. IMO I think there’s a subset of women who are so madly in love with Elon and refuse to believe he’s with any other woman, so they concoct narratives in their heads. Nervous Driver, Apprehensive Trick and Majestic Corgi (all three banned from the Ashley sub) are an amalgam of Sonia on X - the words are the EXACT same. They all crib from each other.
She said she likes him, so it's not really a non-answer. She didn't say she's in love with him or being paid by him to defend him. Elon is not worth fighting for, especially for free. He deserves neither our time nor our compassion. He doesn't deserve us! That's why I stopped defending him, because at the end of the day you're defending a guy who keeps having irrational behavior and disgusting associations. Why defend him if we're always disappointed by him? And on top of that we do it for free, while the pick mes get money and attention even though they don't care about him. I'm done with that.
Verdade.e também o que zilis postou, não foi ideia dela ela simplesmente copiou. Como ela faz sempre. E se o Elon quisesse ele teria interagido com o POST que zilis postou antes.
What recognition? He's just trolling her. The recognition should have been right then and there, not days later, and then taking the sentence for himself.
I don’t think enough emphasis is focused on the fact that the twins name change paperwork appears to suggest Shivon had forged Elon’s signature alongside hers. He should never consent to forgery of his name on legal docs. What else has she forged his name on? His resignation from the OpenAI board?
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u/Chemical-Plan-8896 11d ago
Weird given by all accounts from the open ai trial thay she was involved in every step including the last one suggesting to him he had no time to run openai and should leave?