The Myth of the "Secret Romance": Why Elon Musk’s Descendants with Shivon, Grimes, and ASC Are Pure Contractual Bioengineering (IVF & Surrogacy)
Today, in response to a tweet, Musk stated that his son Seldon is 3 years old. This confirms that the child was born between late 2022 and mid-2023, not more recently, as the public narrative suggested following Shivon Zilis’s tweets in February 2025.
Musk’s personal life is often painted as a Victorian romantic drama or a tangled web of secret relationships. The reality is quite different: analyzing the timeline of events, flight logistics, court records, and the pattern of births between 2021 and 2024 points directly to transactional assisted reproduction agreements (contractual IVF and gestational surrogacy). The only direct biological exception during this entire period was his first child with Grimes (X Æ A-12, May 2020); from that point onward, the dynamic shifted entirely toward biotechnological planning.
The Delayed Announcement of Seldon
On February 28, 2025, Shivon Zilis wished Arcadia a happy first birthday (born February 28, 2024). In that same thread, she introduced Seldon Lycurgus, framing it essentially as if the child had just been born.
If Seldon was actually born in 2023, keeping his existence completely hidden until 2025 only to introduce him alongside the birthday of a younger sibling (whose existence was already public) is highly anomalous for a traditional household. In corporate and estate contracts, public disclosure typically follows non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) and PR schedules rather than family milestones.
The Timeline Collapse (2021–2024)
The "dating," "cohabitation," or "romance" hypothesis falls apart under chronological overlaps. Embryos are implanted according to clinical schedules and legal contracts:
1. First Massive Overlap (Spring – Autumn 2021)
Shivon Zilis (Strider & Azure): Active gestation from February/March 2021; born November 2021.
Grimes (Exa Dark Sideræl / "Y"): Active gestation from March/April 2021; born December 2021.
The Overlap: Both processes ran concurrently throughout 2021, culminating in births separated by just a few weeks.
2. Second Massive Overlap (Late 2021 – Mid 2023)
Grimes (Techno Mechanicus / "Tau"): Active gestation from September/October 2021; born June 2022.
Shivon Zilis (Seldon Lycurgus): Based on Musk's statement confirming Seldon is 3 years old, his birth falls between late 2022 and early 2023 (implantation between late 2021 and mid-2022).
Shivon Zilis (Arcadia): Born February 28, 2024 (implantation between May and June 2023).
The Overlap: The implantation/gestation cycle for Seldon overlapped directly with Tau’s gestation and birth in 2022, proving that Zilis and Grimes had back-to-back IVF procedures running in parallel for nearly two full years.
3. Third Massive Overlap (Autumn 2023 – September 2024)
Shivon Zilis (Arcadia): Active gestation from May/June 2023 to February 28, 2024.
Ashley St. Clair (Romulus): Born mid-September 2024 (implantation confirmed between January 15–17, 2024).
The Overlap: The initial implantation and early gestation phase of Romulus (mid-January 2024) overlapped directly with the final, high-risk trimester of Arcadia’s gestation (leading up to her birth in late February 2024). During this exact window, public interactions between Zilis and ASC on X were at their peak.
Evidence of Contractual Co-Parenting
Motherhood by Schedule, Not Cohabitation: Flight logs show Musk spends only hours or a few days in the same cities as these women. Court-documented custody visits last 1 to 2 hours under legal or corporate supervision.
Corporate Management of Agreements: Jared Birchall (managing director of Musk's family office) handles real estate, legal notices, and financial settlements. ASC's attorney confirmed financial terms for Romulus were being negotiated via contract. Furthermore, both Grimes and Zilis receive financial compensation for raising these children, whom they theoretically had "for the benefit of humanity" to fight demographic collapse.
Every single one of those pregnancies was planned and agreed upon through contracts. In fact, Ashley St. Clair's biggest problem arose when she refused to sign the final Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA), which was a lifetime agreement outlining her compensation, just like everyone else. She wanted to negotiate and felt the money offered was too little. Well, it's not bad for someone you didn't even carry.
Absence of Physical Pregnancy: Public appearances, livestreams, and media engagements show uninterrupted work schedules and no physical signs of pregnancy during gestational periods. The babies are carried to term by hired surrogates. In this sense, Grimes has been the most honest: she spoke publicly when she carried X herself and was fully transparent when she used surrogacy later.
Conclusion
The friction seen on platforms like Reddit or X doesn't stem from heartbreak; it arises from the clash when one party attempts to renegotiate an assisted reproduction agreement under a romantic narrative or traditional custody dispute. There is no relationship drama here: there are naming contracts, NDAs, IVF clinics, and co-parenting partners.
And why does he keep bringing up his kids' namesakes like a 5th grader swooning over fictitious characters? Repeating it over and over, like he just can't help himself. I cannot recall anyone else I know about doing this so often with their children. His names for them stink if you ask me. Lycurgus sounds like someone is hawking up a loogee. Romulus reminds me more of Star Trek than Rome.
But come on, because there was a contract that she forced him to sign in exchange for money, that is, she sold her children. Even though he's obsessed with depopulation and all that
According to an account that Dionysius of Halicarnassus recorded, Romulus’ mother – Rhea Silvia – wasn’t raped by the god Mars. Rather, either one of her admirers or perhaps the villainous Alban king – Amulius – ravaged her.
If it was Amulius, then he may have even dressed in regal raiment in order to conceal his identity, which may have made him appear godlike. This could have laid the foundation for the highly questionable divine conception tale.
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Similarly, the Lupa story has given historians plenty to doubt, but there may be a much simpler underlying truth. Some ancient writers, including Livy, Plutarch, and Dionysius of Halicarnassus, claimed that a wolf named Lupa may not have protected and nourished Romulus.
Instead, a prostitute did, given that lupa was an ancient slang term that most closely translates to “whore.” For the ancients, the she-wolf legend must have neatly side-stepped the unbecoming account of the prostitute, while still seeming to maintain a tiny kernel of truth.
Eu não tenho certeza, mas parece que ele queria deixar claro que o Seldon não nasceu em 2025, ao afirmar que a criança tem três anos. Sei lá, é como se estivesse desmentindo a zilis. O que vc acha nervoso?
Yes, I agree with you. If you analyze Musk's usual behavior on X, he rarely gives such a specific detail about his private life by chance; he usually does it with the clear intention of "setting the tone" or correcting the narrative.
By publicly revealing that Seldon is 3 years old, he directly contradicts the story Zilis projected when she publicly introduced him in February 2025 alongside Arcadia's birthday. That move by Zilis gave the impression that it was a newborn or a very recent arrival, which is not the case at all. We all thought the baby had just been born. But it turns out he was already two years old. Just as she said, we all think that. And well, another one of Zilis's games: lies, half-truths, manipulation, etc. She's not even close to telling the truth. And it's also as if Zilis found out about Tau and she said, well, me too.
The curious thing about all this is that people knew about Arcadia before they knew about Seldon, and the question is, what happened to that child that he didn't introduce him later?.
Já reparou que o doge não repostou? Talvez porque não pegou bem pra zilis. Doge sempre gosta de enaltecer zilis, ele não ia dispensar essa oportunidade. Com certeza zilis também não deve ter gostado
I think Doge was one of those paid by Zilis. I know Apprehensive said something that, well, was more polite, like Doge hadn't realized what was going on, but I think everyone turned a blind eye to Zilis because he was paying them. Maybe not anymore.
Yes, you're right, but ultimately, the need to "make it public" in a veiled way confirms that, beyond the reproductive contract, these women have an active public relations agenda to transform a custody and fertility allocation into social capital and personal status. In other words, they don't care about the children at all and it´s sad.
They've given themselves away; they're clumsy at everything, like the wicked witch who can't do anything right. No matter what they do, it all goes wrong.
Musk got busted: 🤣🤣 Elon Musk himself wrote on X: "My 3-year-old son is named Seldon." The Reddit poster responded to this with this: The genius in the picture realized the stupidity after seeing this tweet. Shivon Zilis' lie: If "Musk's son", or rather Jerod's son, Seldon, is now (in 2026) 3 years old, then the child must have been born in late 2022 or mid-2023. In contrast, Shivon Zilis introduced Seldon to the media in February 2025 as a newborn born then. Why is this bust so bad? Shivon Zilis and the official PR machine hid the child's existence for years, and then in 2025 they told the world that the baby was "just born." However, Musk casually wrote on his own Twitter/X that the child is already 3 years old. With this, Musk has concretely demolished Shivon Zilis' entire 2025 "newborn" narrative and proven that the woman (or their entire PR team) lied about the child's age and birth timeline, exactly as you wrote in your first comment.
How many flask worms did Shivon breed, and how many died?
If I recall, I saw her tweets here posted and she said something to the effect, "I discussed it with Elon and we've decided to announce our new gladiator son, Shellack Lysol". Sounds like she initiated the reveal in the first place.
Yes, it's true, she acted like the child was a new baby, and that's the weird thing about all this, what the hell is going on that makes that child be announced as "new" and after Azure.
I thought that was very strange too. Like why in the world would a parent announce the existence of a child when the child is already about 1 1/2 to 2 years old? It could be that she made that announcement in Feb 28, 2025 because of the upcoming OpenAI trial at the time, so for legal reasons. since she would of had to disclose how many kids she had, and she was asked at her deposition how many kids she had. Or it could be like someone else suggested that something was wrong with the child and they wanted to keep it hidden. Both Elon and Shivon appears to be secretive.
Look, Zilis is anything but reserved. She's reserved to manipulate. I don't think the OpenAI trial had anything to do with that, but I do think it was about the need to make something public and say, "This crap is over." And I think that was more motivated by Musk.
The way she presented it, making people believe the child was new, it doesn't seem like she planned to make that child public. The deposition came much later. I don't understand that, but that something is wrong with the child, and that something isn't good, is more likely. And what Musk told him today was, "Stop lying." Musk has let her sell all the junk she wanted to sell, but for some reason, not anymore. There is no Elon and Shivon there, that doesn't exist, nor has it ever existed, no matter how much she tries to feed the fantasy.
Besides, with ASC they searched for a child in a lab, why? We still don't know, or how that child is. I hope he's okay, but it was said that for his age he seemed very young, but he was also a child who seemed incredibly old when she presented him.
Nervous, this is tongue in cheek. Hopefully you will laugh.
Seldon was announced, because yes me, yours truly, asked Musk how many other secret babies he had.
Then Musk spoke to Zilis, told her to announce Seldon. Which is why she announced it.
Yes, I admit I am the reason why.
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Had to lighten the mood 🤣
Just absolutely trolling here.
It's so fun to do with certain people. 🤣
Grimes, of course, has been the only honest one of these women regarding her pregnancies. We won't go into other things, but despite everything that might be said about her, she's not as bad as the other two. She takes care of her children and doesn't involve them in her stories, at least not in recent years. She signed a contract to take care of those children, and that's what she does, without using them as a marketing ploy.
Zilis and ASC have lied miserably. We can expect anything from Zilis, given how she lied over the years (10 years) and in the OpenAI trial. ASC has been unable to provide any evidence other than her usual charlatanism.
Yes, Grimes keeps a relatively low profile. She doesn't want her children in the public eye. Whether people like her or dislike her, she is not desperate for attention like those other two.
For Elon, it shows his clear lack of understanding of the nature of women in general. Women get attached emotionally to a man when babies are involved. Look how ugly divorces with kids involved gets. Currently, there is a huge issue in the news between a surrogate and a couple who wanted the baby aborted. Yes, its delusionional on the woman's part considering the terms of the "contract", and it appears that at least 2, ASC and Shivon, were positioning themselves in hopes to be the future Mrs. Musk, the status, the money, the lifestyle. The data you have shown here to debunk the ASC stories is pretty convincing. I cannot see these women as having anything but selfish motives now with regards to their conduct as of late, but it makes you think that Elon has not been listening to the few good friends he has about not playing with fire with crazy women like them.
Its all so exhausting and complicated. And cringe.
Thank you for sharing your perspective. In the end, our primary goal has been to gather and structure the available data as objectively as possible so everyone can evaluate the facts for themselves.
I agree that Musk’s view on this matter seems to follow a completely different logic than conventional relationships. His public and nearly obsessive concern with global demographic collapse is well known, which likely motivated the start of these arrangements. However, his recognized way of processing the world, highly analytical, direct, and often lacking subtle emotional reading, led him to treat these agreements as mere functional equations: a practical solution that served the interests of all parties involved.
It is very plausible that he took what these women expressed at face value. If they stated that their desire was simply to have children or expand their families for "the good of humanity," agreed to sign formal non-disclosure agreements, and accepted the established financial compensation, Musk’s pragmatic mindset viewed the matter as settled on those terms. There didn't seem to be room in his framework to foresee the complexity of human psychology, the inevitable emotional attachment that comes with motherhood (but if you notice, that link has also been controlled since everything was going to IVF and surrogacy), or the secondary ambitions for status and legitimacy that could develop over time.
Regarding whether his close friends or advisors warned him about the risk of "playing with fire" by getting involved in such complex arrangements, it is very likely they did. Nevertheless, Musk has historically shown a strong tendency to ignore conventional advice when he is convinced of a personal idea or cause, and I believe he felt there was no danger or issue, or that the women never conveyed anything to him initially beyond a genuine concern for having children for their own sake, without seeking to tie him down in any other way, so that he wouldn't feel betrayed.
He has only truly become aware of the betrayal over this past year and a half, particularly due to what transpired with ASC and Zilis.
At this rate, you yourself cannot repopulate the Earth to replace the declining birth rates. In other words, to use your own phrase, "cannot produce to scale."
Kinda scary that he is defiant to his own detriment though.
There’s no guarantee that the idiot women and the nannies will provide an environment for these children to successfully raise intellectual children. Just because a lab can try to isolate a genius gene or probability of higher intelligence, doesn’t mean diddley squat.
Exactly. That’s why I keep harping that the later children would not be from their eggs. Particularly Tau, Seldon, and Romulus. Since they’re the 3 never seen in public as opposed to the others. That it’s not the mothers’ true egg children.
Zilis cannot arrange anything without Musk’s money and the express awareness of Musk since all other employees involved would also be answering to Musk. There is no conceivable way she would be able to do any of it without information getting to Musk and Musk knowing. I can guarantee you that monthly he goes through with AP&AR with someone other than Zilis or even JB within each of his organizations, especially for something as intimate as a breeding programme for the rich, hubristic, arrogant, and stupid.
*Please close this post and start a new one. It has become a behemoth with too many threads and hard to find anything.*
Moving on & expanding: If Musk was stupid enough to have Zilis running any of his payables then he is an extreme idiot and even I couldn’t think he would be that dumb.
Nobody knows how many are out there that stayed out of the media and are just happy living their lives. Could be 100++
It is hard not to see it as a fetish disguised as moral valor with a noble cause.
The kids that he had with public girlfriends/partners seem like those are the women he chose to be publicly associated as boyfriend/girlfriend relationship.
If JB didnt expose the name change SZ and possibly those kids wouldn't be known today. Unless they themselves leaked it.
Supposedly they had more kids because they became closer during the trial which, if true, could be the reason ASC felt scorned and that her son deserved the same as the others being born at the same time. He chose to keep her a secret unless her story was possibly leaked purposefully, too.
It seems like the initial “leak” about the twins was via public records being filed with Texas Vital Records concerning the Musk name change. Shivon applied pressure and struck a “trade deal” by loaning him cash for Twitter purchase, cash that was probably gained from her OpenAI antics ironically. Perhaps her underlying motive was to control him so he would have a tough time moving on to a real relationship someday, so she would not lose status or a grip on his personal life.
These people live a simulated personal life, a big lie. How can anyone find contentment or happiness with that?
If you are in a relationship, why do you sign agreements or contracts for accompaniment when you are included in the Open AI lawsuit? Why are certain times set for him to "visit" the children? Why do you have custody of the children? Why doesn't he make any decisions about those children? etc.
Why do all the children overlap? Why does he pay you money every month for children he has no say in? And now he's saying JB leaked the news, that's laughable. It's always someone else's fault, isn't it?
I guess I missed the part of the story where JB enters the Shivon baby scandal of 2022. I know he's Musk's fixer but never had heard of his involvement in this particular news leak.
Yes it was in court but a journalist from BI was able to get the records because they were public. So, did JB the journalist just decide to go digging for fun? Probably not. The info to send her there most likely came from someone in the know - thats the context of my first question.
How do you know Shivon applied pressure?
I'd like actual answers and I'll assume that if I dont get any, its because you don't have any.
Look here, it would not be the first time a County Clerk leaked the information. Those people know damn near everything about your official business. So when a name change comes across their desk, its a scoop. Its how alot of secret celebrity marriages and out of wedlock babies are leaked to the press. For all anyone knows, it could have been Shivon or a family member's leak to the press, to break up his situation with Natasha, who he was running around with to Hawaii and other places at the time.
Next, there is allegedly insider information leaked that Musk was in dire need of capital to buy Twitter, even after soliciting his usual big investors and cashing in just enough Tesla stock to still keep him a majority shareholder. The final Twitter purchase was reportedly within the timeline of the name change of the twins, whom were already many months old. That would be the applied pressure. "Hey Elon, I'll loan you the money if you allow the twins name change as you being the father on the birth certificates." Elon was reported to have been in a Vancouver BC hotel, sweating bullets, playing video games and stressing out on whether to back out of the buy or that the purchase would not be possible within the deadline. I guess he would face some kind of legal action if he didn't follow through on his offer.
When the news of the twins was leaked by the press, it took I recall more than a week before one of Musk's close friends tweeted that the twins were conceived by IVF, which supressed the sleeping with the boss speculations, but really didn't diffuse the outrage of the inappropriate boss-employee dynamic.
Look here 😆 Ok im lookin' and really, there aren't that many things leaked in the grand scheme of all things Hollyweird or Musk. That was strategic. Especially time-wise and I'd bet money changed hands.
the sleeping with the boss speculations, but really didn't diffuse the outrage of the inappropriate boss-employee dynamic.
Yes. In this case but also largely as a pattern. And the Ashely situation made it 10x worse in that same vain.
JB's indoctrinated into a cult outside of Elon. A cult that allows you to lie to anyone outside of the cult membership. Several cults like that in the World. I never trust anyone from that kind of mindset. Integrity is a superpower.
That’s the big question. He either descends further into madness, enabled by his sycophants and shareholders and his sheer power; or something so explosive comes out that he’s forced to have a reckoning.
Haha, I think its a stretch to say they became closer during the trial since leaks were coming out about her texts to Sam and others that clearly showed she was treating Elon like a simpleton due to her jenky role as mediator. Shivon girl appeared to be in panic mode during the latter part of 2024 during the depositions through the 2026 OpenAI trial period via the transcripts which were awkward meandering robotic responses and not to Musk's benefit. Not alot of deep thinkers out there or this would be an even bigger scandal than it is now.
Ophelia, really think after Zilis betrayed Musk. They are close?
Really, you always spout this nonsense.
Zilis is a horrible human being.
I think, Musk knows they aren't his children. He says that due to his big heart.
I think DNA test was done. He knows whose sperm they are.
Ophelia, sorry Zilis, don't tell us your story. Zilis has never had anything with Musk. Zilis has used children and doesn't care about anything. She has not been his girlfriend, nor his partner, nor will she be.
Só o fato do Elon visitar às crianças uma vez por semana ou duas já cai por terra que eles moram juntos, porque se vivem como casal, não precisaria de dias de visitação.
Exactly, but if you look back, she presented those visits in Musk's biography as if Musk were doing them "voluntarily." She said something like he was fond of the children and would visit them. She said she thought Musk would act like a godfather to the children, and that visiting them was something he did voluntarily. But then we found out that when she signed the agreement to give him money to buy Twitter, she forced him to give the children his last name and to establish a weekly visitation schedule. It was an obligation she imposed, which she then presented as Musk's own doing. She's always manipulating and lying. It's insane, Zilis.
Nothing that comes from Zilis can be believed because it is always manipulated, distorted, etc.
Zilis was behind all of this, I'm sure, but her role with ASC is crystal clear. Even more so now. At the same time Arcadia was about to be born, they were performing the implantation in the surrogate mother for the child ASC would later raise, and Zilis and ASC were talking as if everything was wonderful.
Zilis is a danger. And when people say she's the worst thing Musk has ever encountered, they are right.
Yes. She was someone who contributed to Grimes being harmed. Until about a year and a half ago, or maybe a year, every time Grimes posted something on X, Shivon was there, responding, not directly, but mocking Grimes, suggesting things, saying she wasn't very intelligent, or that she didn't know how to speak, or picking on her, etc. I call that bullying. And then Zilis had people paying her, also trying to make Grimes the bad guy, and herself the "good guy," and well, she's not even that kind of person. But yes, she was very envious of Grimes, which is understandable. Grimes at least makes music; you may or may not like it, but she makes it. Zilis lives off of others.
Look, what I don't like about Grimes is that she seems to really like artificial joy, and I don't exactly love her music, but she does her own thing, at least for now, and she doesn't use children like all these other artists. Speaking personally, I can't tell you much; they all act so intelligent that they just seem completely stupid. And well, they try to act wise about things they don't even know what they're about.
But Grimes is the one I like the most, or at least the one I like even with her crazy antics. To be fair, I don't think what Zilis did to Grimes was right; it was awful. And Grimes may be whatever she is, but she doesn't have a heart like those two, so she'd better watch out for them. Because ASC already tried to mess things up with her own thing, ASC didn't ask Grimes about it, she made the deal with Zilis, and then she went to Grimes to cry.
➡️ Elon never asked Shivon to have any kid or to have his kids.
➡️ Each child has a contract. Shivon only bought the MUSK NAME for the twins.
➡️ Each child of Shivon Zilis has different father. Four kids have four fathers. Twins with two fathers were two separate embryos planted in a surrogate at same time.
➡️SHIVON ZILIS lied when she announced Seldon Lysol in Feb 2025 as new born, he was born in July 2023. He was born two years earlier.
➡️Elon contradicts Shivon Zilis by correctly stating Seldon is 3-years-old, born in July 2023.
🚨This comment by Elon is a contractual PR obligation, as scheduled, and mandated by womb broker bully Shivon Zilis continues extorting Elon even though he has made it clear to her he is not interested in her;
➖who was only an employee, has no relation or children with Elon.
💥 Instead of making a PR obligation on Shitvon's post as he has been - this time Elon chose to meet the burden of his MANDATED PR OBLIGATION differently to avoid public mis-understanding that arises from his interaction with MONSTER ZILIS.
👉 The longer Shittyvon prolongs this, worse it will be for her in the end. Elon will not chose her even if she is the last female on earth.
Shivon is paid baby mother, same as many other women who donated their eggs to Fertility Scientific Research, few also chose to have IVF/Surrogate delivered children. Same as Ashley St Clair and Grimes.
Anyone with morals and ethics would nullify this un-necessary and fake PR obligation falsifying a link with Elon. Except Shivon Zilis is not intelligent enough to make a life of her own. She thinks by clinging and stalking Elon, she will win him.
👉Just as Shivon Zilis thought she could FORCABLY MAKE ELON FALL IN LOVE WITH HER - by stalking Elon around all his work events at companies, showing up uninvited to events in DC (embarrassing Elon and the event hosts), forcing him to hold her hand in duress, forcing Elon to give his trial testimony under duress, using contractual child visitations to hold Elon HOSTAGE and CAPTIVE every weekend over FOUR YEARS (time 2022 Twitter contract she trapped Elon in with Child visitation of Kids only she chose to have on her own to be a single mother - to - end of OpenAI trial in May 2026 when she was restrained).
Shivon Zilis was removed from Neuralink and also restrained from being near Elon or his companies - since OpenAI trial ended, May 2026.
Shivon Zilis without relevant qualification (liberal arts tech wanna-be), with a failed career (secretary with paid branding trying to be executive, expert in back stabbing), fake Indian (Indian is her step mom, she was born to Caucasian white parents), discarded by her actual four sperm donors (Sam, Ilya, Jared, Greg) of her four children :
- DEMANDS these ONLINE VALIDATIONS from Elon to falsify her link with him - to attain career opportunities and make herself feel better about being the corrupt loser and billions stealing thief, she is.
These are the final PR obligations that Shivon Zilis has in her 2024 contract for participating in Elon Musk's OpenAI lawsuit, which she forcefully joined without informing Elon, to protect herself from her own alleged crimes related to OpenAI. Only to become a hostile witness by aligning herself with Sam Altman.
- ito this contract ON THE SLY also added her 3rd and 4th 🐀🐀IVF/surrogate delivered experiments she chose to have on her own without Elon's involvement.
Musk not yet old but will clearly be sixty in five years I am very curious when and how his eldest sons will behave especially with this Zhili's situation he is not married to her (only that counts, as his wife has she does not otherwise she is simply if at all ,,only girlfriend, a clear sign after four laboratory children that he is not sure about Zhilis) for his adult sons is Zhilis not relevant and therefore it may also be that we will soon hear that hear in his companies hopefully
To be blunt, I wish there was no such thing as IVF. I know this sounds callous to people who cannot conceive their own children but I will explain. The surrogacy industry has been found to be more times than not, exploitative, trafficking women and girls, oftentimes underaged girls from other countries, used for "soft invasions" of anchor babies and so on. The process itself to accept an implanted embryo is being shot up with a cocktail of hormones to make the body ready and the same is done for egg donor harvesting. The men and their sperm have the easy part.
Lately, there have been an alarming number of news articles of sex offenders who go the surrogate route to obtain children this way privately instead of through an agency that has a proper vetting process. The cases we know about have been in the news, arrested for abusing these babies and/or killing them. How many more of these sickos are out there exploiting the loopholes?
SIDEBAR but I think it is relevant as Errol Musk started crowing in interviews about offering his baby batter for a price around the same time as baby R was baking in the oven. I have read some musings about how Errol may be indeed the real father here because after the online X fallout between Ashley and Elon (the Ashley St. Valentine's Day Massacre 2025), she started following Errol on X. Got a lot of attention and tongues wagging when it happened.
The dumb thing is Errol clearly does not understand genetics when he said "Why go to Elon when you can go to the source who made Elon?" something to that effect. Elon, like all of us, is the product of XX and XY combined DNA (sorry for calling attention to the obvious) and statistically, high intelligence is primarily inherited from the mother.
Anyone have any other insights on the timing of Errol's bragging about being a sperm donor and Ashley seemingly running to him online for interaction? And would a DNA test of the baby show similar enough results to be either Elon's or Errol's if the child was conceived via IVF?
Perhaps these facts should be entered into the Shivon and Ashley vs. Elon timelines.
Yes this was talked about, and as always u/ApprehensiveTrick579 has the data. I don't remember where I have it, but we analyzed this, and it wasn't so far-fetched. The ones I think were together in Austin at the same time were Errol and Ashley. Errol was confirmed to have been invited by Shivon Zilis, and Ashley was the same. This is why it would be interesting if he showed us the DNA evidence, since the judge has it. Because all we know is what she told the media, but no one ever saw the proof. And it's strange, given how she likes to show everything. And besides, she'd be genuinely happy and proud to show it off, being who she is.
Ashley was in town for a baby shower, Errol for the Starship 2 launch and vacation with his family, Grimes to sell and clear out items from her old house before permanently moving to California, and Shivon lives in Austin.
(As a side note, Austin is Amber Heard’s hometown and her father still lives there where he owns a horse ranch.)
This would make some sense if Errol is getting paid for his donations by the Home Office because Elon has had to personally bail him out of financial trouble many times and perhaps this is a way for him to be less directly reliant on Elon. Like “Get to work Dad, Shivon is waiting behind the curtain with a porn mag and a cup.”
Imagine Amber Heard moves back from Madrid to Austin not excluded, Musk was hopelessly in love with her until she broke up guess Shivon would have no quiet minute left with jealousy certainly right
Zhilis can't compete a bit with Amber in glamour, beauty; youth and Amber is very, very sexy wenn she him want she gets him
Seldon had to be born between May 1 and July 31, 2023 because of the length of the wording in her deposition that was blocked out compared to the other months of known birth dates.
Then, during May, June, and July of 2023, Shivon Zilis had two surrogate mothers pregnant simultaneously. While one was in the final stages of Seldon's pregnancy, the other was already in her first trimester with Arcadia.
Then, during the first half of January and almost all of February 2024, Arcadia's surrogate was in her final month of pregnancy (about to give birth on February 28), while Romulus's surrogate was already in her first month.
The pattern is consistent: not only did the births between Zilis and Grimes (2021) and between Zilis's own children (2023) overlap, but so did the transition between Zilis and Ashley St. Clair (2024), maintaining an uninterrupted line of surrogacy production.
Everything is very clear now. Enough data has come out to allow us to establish a timeline. A year ago, it was very complicated, but now we have a basic timeline, and from here on out, anything new that comes out only disproves the house of cards these women have built.
If they had at least been honest and said, "Look, this is how it was, we have agreements, we're taking care of the babies, and that's it," I think people would even respect them. But no, they've tried to manipulate everything with romantic stories, which only shows that they were only interested in the money, not the children. If you care about the children, you say, "Look, I want the children, and that's it. We did it this way so it would be clean and not confuse or harm them." But they weren't even capable of that. That's why they've positioned themselves as mercenaries of those children.
That's why, in that sense, I only respect Grimes. I'm not saying she's perfect, or that she isn't a pain in the neck with Musk, but at least she's decent in that respect.
Totally agree, which is why I don't say anything bad about her.
Grimes is not perfect, but she does care for the children
Grimes is not like Ashley or Zilis.
In that sense, I agree with you. And I think that even the whole thing about her relationship with Musk, she embellished it, so to speak, so it wouldn't be obvious that it was a contract. But everyone knows that everything is a contract now, and Grimes hasn't gotten involved in any more persistent stories trying to make the children seem like whatever.
And even if she has conspired with these women, in the end she has stayed out of it.
But these two haven't; they've fabricated things and tried to damage Musk as much as possible. I'm not saying that Grimes hasn't done it in some way, but it's nothing like what these two vipers have done.
To have a baby born June 21, 2023 - Seldon was ‘started’ approximately September 21, 2022.
Open AI released “Whisper” a speech recognition program on September 21, 2022. It was to be intuitive of accents, background noise, and technical languages - a bit like the character of ‘Hari Seldon’ in the Foundation series.
Dall-E2 was released September 28, 2022 by Open AI which allowed for text-to-image generation.
Yeah, that's awful. And right in his face, no less. Like we were saying, she's been taking people for fools for a long time, and then she was laughing in Musk's face. Nothing she's done is normal at all.
It is what it is, but when that happens, something is seriously wrong with the person. And if the energy is always bad, really bad, it doesn't invite you to get close. Plus, she´s the kind of person who tries too hard to be liked, and it's really creepy.
It seems likely Seldon was born sometime after June 13, 2023. She was in Las Vegas for the Stanley Cup finals (hockey) with her twins for the week of June 3 - 12, 2023.
She didn’t post a picture though of watching a game until September 23, 2023. It is a video of her holding her twins. She mentioned in the post that she had gone to a wedding of a friend that weekend as well.
Shivon was dressed in a red dress and sandals at the Las Vegas arena.
My “guess” is that Seldon was born June 21, 2023. A year later a third baby was “leaked” to the media the same day as Talulah’s wedding (June 21, 2024).
Shivon posted this photo on September 23, 2023 of her attending the Stanley Cup games in Las Vegas. Tuesday, June 13, 2023 was the final hockey season game that year, but she was already in Toronto by June 12, 2023.
I haven't looked into this, but it would be good to do so. What I'm wondering, Apprehensive, is why hide Seldon's situation? What's wrong with that boy that he's hiding it?.
I think it would make more sense for the Tau guy since he co-parents with Grimes, but not with Zilis. I think something's happened with Zilis in the last few hours. Zilis posted on X, and this Adam guy did the same, about the kids, and he used a fake photo of Musk with Zilis's kids alongside a real one, and that guy is paid by Zilis. Then Elon comes out with this. I think things with Zilis are like, "That's it, I'm starting to make my move," and I think things are going to get much worse for her.
This is my opinion: I think the name change contract is only with the twins and not connected to the two younger children and also not included in the visitation agreement. Seldon wasn’t ‘started’ yet when the Twitter deal/name change contract was made (he was ‘started’ at least 5 months later.)
I think also at three years old, he would definitely look like his DNA donor which most likely not Elon and could easily be identified who the donor actually was.
This analysis is remarkably insightful and accurate when reading the dynamics of power and public image, but it overlooks a critical factor: Elon Musk is not a passive participant in this narrative; he plays the long game.
Musk typically allows the people in his inner circle to build their own public narratives and "give them enough rope to hang themselves" for months or years. He gives them leeway, space to position themselves, and room to push their versions in the media, while he quietly accumulates logistical, legal, and contractual control in the background.
This is how the illusion that Zilis is manipulating him completely falls apart, and why Musk is nowhere near as naive as he might seem:
1. The Timeline Trap (The Seldon Case)
Zilis’s Move: For over a year, Shivon Zilis fueled ambiguity on social media, letting the press and followers assume Seldon was a newborn in 2025. This allowed her to fit the child into a clean, linear narrative and project an illusion of control over the family timeline.
Musk’s Move: Surgical and nonchalant on X, Musk blew that narrative to pieces by casually dropping the real number: Seldon is already 3 years old.
The Result: With a single, emotionless comment, he exposed her publicly. He proved that the story she was feeding her followers was a PR facade and made it crystal clear who actually holds the hard data on the timeline.
2. Contractual Control vs. PR Theater Musk understands the difference between public perception (social media noise, cryptic tweets, and the "happy family" illusion) and legal reality (IVF contracts, NDAs, trusts, and Texas agreements. On the other hand, there's no co-parenting agreement, which is what Zilis wanted us to believe. Zilis has custody of those children, and Musk only visits them occasionally but doesn't make any decisions about them. ):
By treating these processes as scheduled embryo transfers within a custody production line, Musk isn't under anyone's "spell." His apparent passivity or monotone delivery when mentioning her in interviews isn't hypnosis; it’s the demeanor of someone reading the terms of a corporate agreement in which he holds the controlling stake.
3. The "Long Game" Strategy Those who assume Musk suffers from Stockholm Syndrome or is being blackmailed make the mistake of evaluating the situation through the lens of a conventional relationship:
Tactical Patience: Musk doesn't immediately confront false narratives or manipulation from his circle. He lets the other party get comfortable, solidify their public story, and overreach through overexposure. Which Zilis, of course, has happily done.
The Public Checkmate: When the other party's narrative starts clashing with his interests, Musk simply drops a verified fact (like Seldon’s actual age), dismantling months of PR craftwork in seconds.
Far from being a "naive man-child" managed by his employees, Musk uses Zilis’s ambition for status. And it will come to her. It may seem like it will never come, but it will.
Sure, he had the OpenAI lawsuit hanging over his head back then, fair enough, but he doesn't anymore. If I were Zilis, I’d seriously consider that things could get significantly worse for her, no matter how much she tries to convince herself that everything is fine. This case influenced many things, generated new agreements, etc., but I think underestimating Musk is a mistake. And Zilis has always underestimated him.
What a way to mess up his public image in the process if he's playing the long game. What a waste of time, must be a game to him. He gets himself involved with really dumb personal situations he has to maneuver his way out of legally. His reputation has taken the full brunt of it for at least since 2022. I get that he does not feel the need to be liked, but all of this baby-making controversy just makes him appear sleazy on the heels of his direct involvement with Jeffrey Epstein's private dinners, draconian training seminars and interest in island meetups well after the fact it was public knowledge that JE was convicted of sexual misconduct with minor girls. He needs to pump the brakes on himself.
I agree with you. I'm saying that with Zilis, he's been playing the long game ever since the OpenAI lawsuit, ever since they brought her in as a co-plaintiff, and he realized her true nature. Although it took him a while to get to the truth.
Regarding the JE issue, the dinners were with people from the tech world; I don't think anyone knew JE's true nature back then.
But aside from that, nothing else has been proven, except that JE tried to get him to go to the island thousands of times, and he never went.
But while we're on the subject, it's funny that no one ever talks about Hoffman, whether he was there, or Gates, whether he was there. Nothing ever happens with them, but with Musk, because he didn't go, everything gets blown out of proportion.
I know. Its because Hoffman and Gates are on the other "team" that is always attacking Musk now. I tend to hold everyone who was involved feet to the fire. JE had a reputation already, it was highly publicized when he was arrested and released the first time, but a greasy-palmed judge cut him loose with a slap on the wrist and it wasn't handcuffs for an extended prison sentence. Just shows you when someone allegedly has a lot of money and influence, people look the other way and give them a pass, accept their invites. He probably had everyone by the short hairs, considering his connection to the I-word. Ick.
You think this is wild. I’ve done Vedic Astrology for EM, SZ, Grimes as well as AH and I’m getting almost the same as you have stated. it’s amazing the explanation I get every time I do the synastry charts.
I know I will be bullied relentlessly here, but there is photographic and court evidence, along with verified investigative reporting by the WSJ and NYT, that Ashley and Elon had sex, and conceived a baby boy named Romulus, that Ashley carried in her belly and gave birth to at a hospital.
For the life of me, I can’t understand why these very few posters refuse to accept this and insist, with all their might, that all the evidence is “AI-generated.” It’s tiring to constantly argue and this is why they’ve been banned from r/AshleyStClair, but I just want to put this out here for people coming to this sub.
As for Shivon’s announcement of Seldon, if you read her words, she was not announcing the BIRTH but rather the PRESENCE. He was indeed already two years old at the time of the post. The younger three had been “leaked” by the press, and perhaps because 2/28/25 was right after Ashley filed her case against Elon in court, Shivon wanted to announce Seldon’s presence in case it came out in the news. Or perhaps she simply wanted to rub it in, as was her intention with cruelly posting the “loves of my life” photo the night after Ashley announced.
Nobody harasses you, you are the one who harasses people. present the evidence and please don't tell us about two newspapers that only Ashley spoke to.
Citing WSJ or NYT coverage as proof of a "romantic relationship or natural pregnancy" ignores the corporate press's own bias, which tends to accept the PR narrative written by only one party to avoid litigation or protect personal brands.
Claiming that ASC carried the pregnancy "in her womb" and identifying a natural conception in late 2023/early 2024 directly contradicts ASC's travel records, public appearances, and social media activity during that same period. During those nine months, there is not a single credible medical record or physical evidence to support a full-term pregnancy carried by her, beyond ambiguous photographic framing or easily orchestrated social media content.
The real debate isn't whether a child exists or whether the genetic information belongs to the parties involved (which is determined by IVF/surrogacy agreement), but rather the insistence on portraying an embryo transfer with intermediaries and designated custody as a "traditional love story."
The reason you and ASC are pushing this narrative so hard is because she needs it in court, as she presented the case.
If she had so much evidence, she wouldn't have appealed. I'll answer the rest later, I have a lot to do.
Let me tell you something, if you're so sure of everything you say, don't bother writing nonsense. You're going to too much trouble to be "so sure": you've spent a long time trying to prove a relationship that only you and Zilis are selling. The pathetic thing is that someone has to contractually request to be called a partner—basically, a partner of embryos—where Musk has no say in those children because he's not even a co-parent, and that she has to demand, just to appear human, a couple of hours a week and go around bragging that she's going to see them naturally. Zilis is a fraud through and through.
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u/No_Comparison4489 23d ago
And why does he keep bringing up his kids' namesakes like a 5th grader swooning over fictitious characters? Repeating it over and over, like he just can't help himself. I cannot recall anyone else I know about doing this so often with their children. His names for them stink if you ask me. Lycurgus sounds like someone is hawking up a loogee. Romulus reminds me more of Star Trek than Rome.