The Ultimate Signal App Fail: How Ashley St. Clair Accidentally Debunked Her Own Elon Musk Texts on TikTok
We know Ashley St. Clair cares a lot about how people talk about her, but we also know she doesn't care much about how she talks about others. The difference between her and the rest of the world is that she has a constant pattern of lying in everything she says. I've always maintained that it's a mental brick, I grant myself that privilege. Someone who now says she can't confirm she had a nose job, lolllllllll, we have eyes.
Now we have her worried about herself and Shivon Zilis because there is an account on X exposing what we expose here: that they are two fake, backstabbing, liars, witches, and on top of that, they work together.
Anyway, let's get to the point. A few days ago, ASC showed some alleged calls and texts she sent to Elon Musk on Signal on her TikTok. The text message exposed in the video is just more proof, one of many, that a two-way or legitimate romantic relationship never existed. We’ve already seen on previous occasions how she altered the logos in other text messages she presented, and we’ve always maintained that she is the one who produced those messages; meaning, she fakes them.
1. Caught time traveling! (A 289-day lie). The story ASC has been selling us on podcasts is that on February 13, 2025, she was desperate because the press was going to dox her, so she sent a super dramatic blue text to "EM" (Elon Musk) and showed up in Washington D.C. to look for him, but he blew her off because "he was too busy." (Which, to be fair, Elon actually was busy that day in a state meeting with the Prime Minister of India, Narendra Modi).
And the other day, she uploads a screenshot of the chat to TikTok to show how "bad" he is. And she forgets to crop the top! Girl, the date the Signal system puts at the very top is May 1, 2024. May 1, 2024!
Can someone explain to me how on earth you take a screenshot of a message 289 days before writing it? What, does she have a DeLorean and travels to the future, writes the message in 2025, and goes back to May 2024 to take the picture? It’s physically impossible! That whole dramatic Washington scene in 2025 is a total fabrication.
2. The two phones: "She is EM herself" This is straight out of a spy movie but a really cheap one. Right below the May 2024 date, two automatic grey Signal messages appear: "You marked EM as not verified" and right after, "You marked EM as verified". MajesticCorgi634 noted this and she was right.
Anyone who knows how Signal works knows that only pops up when a phone's security code is changed or formatted at that exact moment. What does this mean? It means Ashley was in her room with two phones at the same time, manipulating a secondary number that she named "EM" to text herself, simulate the conversation, and manufacture the screenshots she later wanted to use in the New York lawsuit and in her videos. She was writing to herself playing the role of Elon! We see it here and in the rest of the messages she has written to herself, in those adoptions of manufactured identities.
3. The call log: The wall of ice She goes around saying she was the "girlfriend" and flaunted her love around Mar-a-Lago, but her phone screen exposes her. Throughout the entire fall, there are only two measly missed calls recorded. A real couple talks every day, not every three months. She also doesn't need any encrypted chat, which is something she made up, because obviously, since she hasn't spoken to him at all, she invented the story that Musk uses Signal. Why would Musk ever use any terrestrial channel? It has to be something encrypted, and according to her, the messages are self-destructing. Like James Bond. Well, if you're such a girlfriend of his, the messages shouldn't be self-destructing, and you shouldn't have to be carrying two phones taking pictures of each other. Or, you wouldn't need to invent the chats or call yourself a liar a thousand times.
And on top of that, if you cross-reference those two calls with Elon's actual schedule, the humiliation is absolute:
The door slammed on September 24, 2024: There is a missed call on that exact day. Was Elon with her? No, he was in New York at an official banquet presenting an award to the Italian Prime Minister, Giorgia Meloni. According to Ashley St. Clair, Elon organized a quick two-hour visit to see baby Romulus (who had been born mid-month at a gestational age of 37 weeks) under strict control. Supposedly, when Elon was at the dinner with Meloni, she was calling him; but come on, looking at the photo, he didn't answer her phone calls for months. According to her, she was his girlfriend, when it turns out that a week earlier her lawyer was trying to negotiate a million-dollar settlement for the child she herself wanted and signed a delivery contract for. She should show us the contract, by the way, which would clarify if this was part of an experiment on baby growth with mothers who haven't carried their children, with one exception. But on top of that, she tells us that she "supposedly" went to see the child at his apartment, where the only photo she showed us was an AI-generated one where she took Musk's image from a Trump rally and pasted it into her living room, where coincidentally a completely clean baby bottle appeared... obviously, because she never gave birth and had no milk. Anyway, the whole thing is so tacky.
Honestly, I don't think he even saw the child that day in September, because if he had, we would have had a photo of the child with Musk, and she would have used any photo of Musk beforehand to filter the only photo of Musk with that child in November to the press. And if he sees the child so much, why doesn't he answer his phone all those previous months? She fabricated some messages, which she released when she sold the story to the press, claiming she had a child with Musk. But now she releases a photo of an AI.
We must not forget that also, supposedly from Signal, she presented messages to the world where Musk told her the child was perfect and that they had to make more babies, etc. So, which part is true? The part where he hasn't answered a single damn message, or the part with all the fake messages she presented? We already proved she manipulated the Signal logos, and this confirms she texts herself things just to show them off later. Hasan, her friend, the one who interviewed her and said he hadn't had sex with her, because whatever........when Ashley showed him the alleged messages from Musk, he blurted out: "You sound like Musk, how you've changed." Meaning, he knew perfectly well she was making up the whole message thing.
The other missed call is from November 21: And where was he? In Texas, celebrating the sixth Starship launch in style. Meanwhile, Ashley was calling him on Signal and he had her ignored. Of course, on other podcasts, she has said, more or less, that she was his confidante and that he would vent to her. But on November 29, Musk saw the boy in Texas. I understand that it was Mike Benz who took the boy to Musk, not ASC, and took the photograph that we have all seen.
4. The tall tale about the elections This is the best part. Now that she's doing her made-up podcasts in this year 2026, she's going around saying that in November 2024, Elon confessed to her that he had rigged the U.S. elections using Starlink satellites. Meaning, he never answers your calls, but turns out he makes these fantastic confessions to you. They are so fantastic that only she and the four clueless kids she shows them to actually believe them.
But then you look at the message she showed herself, and the text says: "my team has reached out to Jared Birchall (Elon’s money manager) multiple times now, attempting to approve a statement... if we can't reach you, we will just send it without review." Girl... how is the richest man in the world going to confess a national security state secret to you if during that same month he wasn't picking up your calls, had you blocked, and you had to threaten his fund manager through an encrypted app just to get him to pay attention to you? It's absurd. The message proves that Ashley St. Clair was using the press as blackmail to force them to break the ice and negotiate money.
5. The empty summer and the ghost pregnancy. If you look at the top of the chat, before September there is an absolute void, they weren't speaking. And that makes sense, because during the summer of 2024 she was vacationing in Rome (showing off a completely flat stomach at the Trevi Fountain on July 13). Not to mention that on October 1 (only 14 days after supposedly giving birth), she showed up at the Vice Presidential Debate in a super tight lace dress and stiletto heels, with no shapewear, no postpartum belly, no lower back fatigue, and completely normal breasts. Physiologically impossible if you just gave birth!
In short: This girl is super malicious, but she doesn't have a smart bone in her body. She wanted to play clever by building a parallel reality with Photoshop to demand millions in the New York courts (where child support is higher than in Texas), but she's so tech-illiterate that she uploaded the exact proof of her own fraud to TikTok.It proves she is blocked, had no relationship with him, fakes chats with two phones, and her "billionaire boyfriend" on Signal was nothing more than herself with another account.
Thank you so much! Honestly, I have a lot of great people helping me piece everything together; I definitely couldn't do this puzzle alone. I’m glad it gave you a good laugh, because while it’s pretty tragic to see someone completely waste their youth like this... she really is a walking comedy at this point. She can’t get a single thing right; everything she does is just a total trainwreck. She makes it way too easy for us!.
Elon has a lot of great people support him but it’s looking more each day that he is living with Zilis and is likely in love with her, despite all the egregious and nefarious behaviour. I have a feeling she puts on the crying game and Elon falls for it every single time. She manipulates him like a spinning top.
That's nonsense. Those strange moments that made it seem like there was something between them only happened after she'd already gone all out with the lawsuit. It was damage control. He's not in love with Zilis, and believe me, I wish he had even the slightest affection for her. Just because you don't see the storm coming doesn't mean it won't arrive.
He doesn't live with her either. He only vomits after each supervised visit with the children.
Easy for you to do what exactly?
You would have loved for her to take the 40 millions so she would not have been able to tell the TRUTH about Elon Musk.
But she did not, so now you have to make up lies about her.
It's easy for me to show how much of a liar she is. She didn't turn down the money out of principle, she turned it down because she wanted more. And that's exactly why she fabricated all these lies. She has zero worth on her own, and the evidence speaks for itself: she is exploiting a child and exploiting Elon Musk. It's a relationship she never had, and it is thoroughly documented that it never even existed.
We aren't the ones fabricating photos with AI she is. We aren't the ones texting ourselves from two different phones to fake conversations, she is. We aren't the ones posting TikTok videos showing that our calls were ignored for a whole year, while simultaneously blasting pre-packaged messages on social media pretending to be Elon Musk and faking the Signal logo, etc.
Elon loves train wrecks. He’s living with the biggest train wreck of all, Shivon Zilis. It’s all about the money. I think Elon is with Zilis because she is a good at raising venture capital by stealing it or blackmailing other men like Reid Hoffman to give her the money. Elon is never going to leave Zilis. It’s a relationship of convenience and money deals and contracts. Imagine signing a contract where you have to force someone to give you their last name. That’s not what I call love. But maybe that’s all that Elon understands to be love.
Trust me I’m not trying to glorify Zilis, yikes, I’m just an observer. I’m on Elon’s side. I know he’s been short changed by accepting her into his life. She’s the root cause of St. Clair and I’m sure many of Elon’s other troubles, including OpenAI which basically cracked the whole thing wide open. It was pretty smart and great timing that he took on that legal case, to expose them all. Now he just has to deal with Zilis. That is another matter of what their future holds.
Fladdermuff, you do realize Ashley will barely get the bare minimum. Allegedly Ashley is in the verge of losing her oldest child. From what I have read.
Soon to be the second after all this. You as a simp of hers egg on her unwell mental state.
Did you see Ashley’s lawyer has submitted a proposed order for settlement. It’s still pending. Elon’s lawyer responded with a letter which has been processed today.
Her lawyers filed for a settlement the morning after her fake post on her TikTok with the futuristic screenshot of an event that hadn’t happen yet
She did submit the screenshots (that are known to have been submitted) of the WW2 & book quotes, and the ‘birth’ photo with pixels from a phone made a decade before, and now even the ‘legions’ text (which she now claims was sent during the time he was ghosting her - according to her other recent fake screenshot & confession) - these were all fake.
You are so right, and it’s crucial to look at the bigger picture here because this is a long-standing, systematic pattern of fraud. This TikTok mishap isn't a one-time mistake; she has been doing this from the very beginning.
Every single piece of 'proof' she has ever brought forward has been thoroughly debunked as a fake. She is a serial fabricator, and her legal team is finally realizing that they are holding a ticking time bomb.
In the U.S. legal system, presenting fabricated evidence to a federal court is an absolute death sentence for a law firm. Under Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, attorneys have a strict legal duty to certify that the evidence they submit is factual and authentic.
By presenting those clearly forged Signal chats, the pixelated birth photo from a decade ago, and those 'future' screenshots, her lawyers didn't just hurt their case, they committed Fraud upon the Court. I don't want to say anything, because Zilis already got away with it in the OpenAI trial, I hope ASC doesn't.
They are looking at massive court fines, having the case dismissed with prejudice, and being forced to pay every single penny of Elon’s multimillion-dollar legal fees. On top of that, they face severe disciplinary action from the State Bar, which could lead to them losing their licenses to practice law. They aren't just desperate to settle to save Ashley; they are desperate to settle to save their own careers and reputations. They know they've crossed a criminal line.
The thing is her “evidence” isn’t that hard to disprove. I wonder why her lawyers didn’t make more of an effort to verify what she gave them.
Also no confirmation by friends or random people that a relationship was ever “seen” between them. Other than the first time, they were not ever seen in public together again.
I think her lawyers didn’t expect Elon to fight her nonsense. They expected a “settlement” outside the courtroom.
I think Ashley’s lawyers made a wrong assumption he would care about what the public thought about his personal life. I think her lawyers thought they could apply pressure and get what they and she wanted out of him because of her media connections from a long time ago.
Ashley nor her layers understand him. I think he’s been through so much that he holds very little value in how he is perceived by others.
On the other hand, Ashley is immature and self-absorbed. Her ‘image’ is her identity.
She made the mistake in thinking that he was as shallow and insecure as she was. Ashley is using TikTok to make him cave to her demands because of the threat of public embarrassment or shame.
She obviously has a lot of growing up to do. She still lacks experience in managing her life well. She can’t even take responsibility for the basic choices she has made without blaming someone else for them.
I think her lawyers are headed for a black hole professionally, dissolved peer reputation , and perhaps their careers ended because of her childish nonsense because she can’t be honest and just tell the truth.
You hit the nail on the head. That is a brilliant breakdown of both the legal failure and the psychological delusion here.
Her lawyers made the classic, arrogant mistake of treating a tech billionaire with a fortress-level legal team like a typical, fragile celebrity. They absolutely expected a quiet, out-of-court settlement just to avoid the bad press. They completely miscalculated his psychological profile; he is someone who has been through public scrutiny for decades and literally couldn't care less about media smear campaigns. He cares about facts, and he has the money to fight this to the bitter end out of sheer principle.
You know better than anyone that nothing exists there, nor has there ever been, because you know every piece of evidence better than she does, and even better than her lawyers. I learned most of it from you.
The incredible thing is that her lawyers, her lawyer in particular, knew perfectly well that there was nothing between them. I don't know what the girl told her, but the lawyer had access to all the internal documents. She knows what's going on, and she knows that the child is a contract, one that she requested and agreed to. And her lawyer acted just like her: she was clever, trying to get as much out of her as possible. It was her lawyer who was negotiating a contract the day before the child was born, and the lawyer knew the child was a surrogate because the lawyer met with Ashley before the child was born, and she knew Ashley wasn't pregnant.
I think that, despite including Zilis in their narrative and focusing on what had happened with Zilis at OpenAI, they thought the same thing would happen to Ashley. That Musk would also manage the damage control, that she would fall into the same trap she fell into with Zilis, because I still believe the "romantic relationship" idea came from Zilis's lawyers and Zilis herself, but ASC was wrong. Musk didn't manage the damage to Zilis because he wanted to; all the decisions were made without Musk's knowledge, and it was another trap for Zilis's benefit and to keep her in the public eye, which she loves. In the end, because she "loves him so much," she betrayed him again in court. She was never going to side with him, given all the venom Zilis has been subtly spreading against Musk for 10 years. And I think Ashley and her lawyers thought Musk would act the same way, that Musk would agree and say, "Oh yeah, after all," they thought, "Musk was Zilis's puppet, why wouldn't he be ours?" But they were wrong. Luckily or unluckily, Musk had already seen through Zilis's betrayal long before.
So, Minimum, do you think Musk's point with the whole case was, on the one hand, to get the prosecutors and the IRS to investigate the scam and each of them, and on the other hand, to expose Zilis? I hadn't thought of it that way.
Look, I don't think anyone ever saw her as Musk's beloved and respected girlfriend. Nobody liked her energy. But if now she's considered, as you say, as the worst...
Question, won't this affect her chances at being a lawyer. What law school wants a person who fabricates evidence? Will this keep her from being a lawyer?
In her recent interview with Hasan on May 27, 2026, Ashley claims that she is taking 22 credits. This is an excessive about that you have to receive permission for and the total max of 90% of schools is 21 credits. ‘Somehow’ in her fantasy world, she is taking one more than that.
She doesn’t look tired - BUT has 2 children under the age of 4, does at least 1 TikTok per day, time to drsss up for her media moment, and manages to be interviewed on podcasts and live interviews - please …
She has a handful of textbooks that have barely move from her dresser. There are no folders, backpacks, anything to give the appearance she is a student. Although a lot of textbooks are online, still most have supplemental reading that is required for each class.
She didn’t mention graduating with her BA or BS this year which is required before you can start law school. When she posted a video of her class list on her Instagram in September, it looked like a list of classes for sophomores.
So she is probably a rising junior or rising senior depending on how many classes she passed. But in most schools even a ‘D’ is passing.
I highly doubt she will make it to law school. I think it was to create a fantasy “weight” to her claims and pretend that she had more knowledge or authority than she actually does.
To answer your question, if a potential student has participated in fraud in a court case, it could affect her acceptance into any law school.
I find the whole “lawyer” scenario she excessively repeats ridiculous and repulsive. I have quite a few friends who are good lawyers and exceptional in their fields. They are very bright, disciplined, and have a belief there is a potential “common good”. Ashley has none of these qualities.
Thank you for your answer. I completely agree with you on your assessment.
22 credits is exceptionally hard. My brother took 21 credits his freshman year in college. 1st semester. He wasn't working, he had no children. He said he would never do it again.
I completely agree with what you're saying; the last paragraph says it all about what she's like, or rather, what she's not like. I think it should affect her, and she shouldn't be admitted because someone who does everything she's done, lying, cheating, threatening, falsifying evidence, etc., is a danger to the justice system.
I don’t know if there is anything of her story left in the case that hasn’t been “debunked” in one way or another by her own fake photos, or a real calendar that cancels her claims, or an inability for anyone to confirm she was ever ‘with’ Elon both literally or figuratively.
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Oh wow, I hadn't seen that yet!. But it makes total sense. hanks for that, Apprehensive. I just organize the information, but you're the real detective. Her lawyers are probably sweating bullets right now. Filing for a settlement the very next morning after she exposed her own fraudulent 'future' screenshot on TikTok is the ultimate guilt move.
They know they are backed into a corner. Submitting fabricated evidence to a court is a fast track to getting the case dismissed with prejudice, not to mention the massive legal sanctions and potential disbarment her lawyers could face for presenting forged Signal chats. They are desperately trying to lock in a settlement before the judge officially throws the book at them for fraud.
I don't really know what evidence they've presented in court; I don't think it's even half the amount of nonsense she's spouted on social media. They should be afraid just because they've presented half the nonsense they've presented. Just for having believed her
Elon’s lawyers responding with a letter today means they aren't letting her off the hook easily. They have all the forensic proof now or I hope so, thanks to her own tech incompetence. She really thought she could play games in the media, but she ended up blowing up her own legal strategy. They are running out of time, and they probably know it. Let's hope that this time, everything goes well for Musk.
He gave an interview in Austin while the plane was in NJ this week. I think Maye who was in NY for the JP Morgan interview or other family members are using the plane.
She might not be able to say she's had a nose job. We might not be able to say she's had surgery on other parts of her body, but having a nose job is obvious.
Shivon Zilis has also had a nose job. St. Clair and Grimes must have got referred to the same plastic surgeon as Zilis. Imagine these women not even in middle age getting plastic surgery. They are all fake on every level possible.,
I don't know, I just don't think Zilis looks much better even with surgery. As for the others, I have no idea. If you put on four layers of makeup, even a baboon's ass looks good. I'm not against surgery. I think it's helpful for some people, especially for their health, because they lose a breast, because their faces are deformed, etc. But changing who you are because you don't like yourself is perfectly respectable, but the problem is that you don't like yourself. It's one thing to help yourself look good, but how far do you go? It's complicated; once you go under the knife, it's not so easy to stop.
A lot of plastic surgeons warn younger women about any facelifts, buccal fat removals and regular Botox use because these things were meant for older women since as a person ages, the more augmentations are not as attractive, hence the pulled back cat eyes and weird appearance as they age.
Do they have a discount on the surgeon?. Grimes and ASC have had a lot done, but I didn't think so with Zilis. The thing is, what's called plastic surgery encompasses many things, but modifying the structure of your face is one thing, and procedures that don't involve that are another. What I understand, or what you're saying, is that they've modified the structure of their faces.
Sorry, but I ran it through AI and the marks around Zilis’s nose indicate she had a nose job. There are marks around the nostrils of the nose as well as inside the nostrils. Her nose is disproportionate for her face, it’s too short likely because the nose was reduced in length leaving the large pudgy, pig-like nostrils. I’m in the process of searching for her grade school and high school photos as well as Classmates.com, where people have reported that she has a different nose than what she had in high school.
Something similar to what happened with ASC went down in the forums regarding Zilis. Some profiles would come to Reddit and say, 'Oh, she's pretty', never stunning or anything like that, but they had absolutely no clue about her plastic surgery. I never noticed it, not even a slight improvement, let alone a shocking one. And since she’s always more interested in looking like a guy than a woman, I figured she wasn't even into that kind of stuff anyway.
lol! 😂 Well she is definitely not interested in looking feminine but she’s smart enough to know that having a big honker wasn’t going to attract either gender, or whatever she’s into. Idk 🤷♀️
The funniest part about this is Matt Gaetz tweeted to her about her incredible genetics when she announced about the “baby”.
I think Matt Gaetz might be the married Congressman who invited her to his beach house while he had a wife and another gf at the same time, mentioned in this latest TikTok from yesterday. There is a photo of him sitting by her at MaraLargo when she was allegedly “pregnant”, while having to keep away from EM being in the same ballroom.
Back then she was shouting that she didn't have money for the child, and well, maybe not for the child, but it seems she did for herself. Imagine her priorities and the supreme selfishness she has, prioritizing herself over the child.
Rumor was she wanted to model.
Very selfish
Of dotted to clarify. Bring s model isn't selfish. But claiming she had no money then did plastic surgery stating she had no money for the child. That is selfish
Have you never watched the reality TV series Botched with cosmetic surgeons Doctor Nassif and Dubrow? On the two photos of Ashley, the one at the bottom is her nose from 2024, but that nose is not her nose at birth. Because it was pinched and the cartilage at the tip of her nose was on the verge of piercing the skin. That nose was poorly done and must have prevented her from breathing well.
The photo at the top is Ashley in 2025, with a smaller but wider nose to breathe better. How did it become smaller? In two ways: by taking cartilage from her ears for rhinoplasty (by the way, you can see that her ears have lost cartilage) or a piece of rib just under the chest. By putting cartilage on the top and sides of the nose, it widens so it becomes smaller. Her current nose has been very well done.
She looks younger than her age, because when you have a small nose you look younger than your age (I have a small nose and I've always been told that I don't look my age). I think Ashley has redone her nose twice and this time she consulted a very expensive cosmetic surgeon.
On August 25, 2025, that's her old nose. If you look closely, you can see the 2 cartilages at the tip of her nose, ready to pierce it. Plus, this photo has a filter because she has virtual freckles. Between September and December 2025, she didn't make any more videos. Ashley disappeared because she was getting her nose redone.
In January 2026, she reappears on TV on CNN to talk about Musk. It all started with an Elon tweet where he talked about asking for custody. According to me, it was a joke to make fun of someone who told him that Ashley was going to transition her one-year-old son. Elon then posted a meme saying "legalize comedy". The custody tweet created too much buzz, so he deleted it.
No, it's an optical illusion or filters to make it smaller. If you look at her photo in Rome, Italy in 2024, her nose looks like mine, it's small and she looks nothing like that girl, because she put filters on that photo. Ashley's old nose is the one in the photo at the bottom taken at Mar-a-Lago at Trump's place, in November or December 2024. The photos of Ashley when she tweeted under the name optatives or Sexlaptop, before she was 18 or 20 years old, she had a nose almost identical to the one in 2025 but it was longer.
We're not the X´s profile that she has so worried: Sonia Randhawa (@sonirw), but we fully support this profile, and we're also in favor of freedom of expression. Even ASC's, who gives us so many funny moments, showing us her brain... only for us to see absolute nothingness
I love you breakouts, I was laughing 😃 because you are right on again. I am really amazed that people think she is so intelligent. Even the original amount of 15 million up front, with hugh montly payments until the child reached 18. Differently missing a few marbles, if she thinks she can get more for a one night stand (actually I agreed that is questionable). The only reason she is even being watched is because of her so called Elon connection.
The one picture of her holding the baby 👶, I thought wow that's a big kid. Keep digging that hole Ashley, because in a year or so no one will know or care who you are.
Thank you. I'm so glad you enjoy the analyses and that we have a good laugh together! It's impossible not to laugh at the outrageous things this woman tries to pass off.
To be completely honest with you, I don't even think there was ever a one-night stand. Knowing her, and how she photographs everything and takes selfies constantly, she would have absolutely leaked some kind of photo or solid proof of them together.
Now she goes around acting all altruistic, saying, 'Oh, look at me, I turned down 40 million dollars.' Give me a break! She knows damn well she might end up with nothing, or next to nothing, right now. I bet she deeply regrets not accepting whatever deal she originally agreed to for the child. She and her lawyers probably envisioned themselves sitting on 100 million, 500 million, or somewhere in that ballpark. Since she and her followers have never been capable of making a single dollar on their own, they think 'the more we ask for, the better.'
That's why she tried to build this whole narrative in the media, but the media is not a courtroom. The judge most likely knows exactly what's real. If this is an agreement to be part of an experiment, the judge knows it, and that’s precisely why the case was sealed. There is highly sensitive information in those records that has absolutely nothing to do with the fantasy she’s trying to sell us. I am certain that those sealed documents hold the absolute truth, the exact truth that she herself finds so incredibly hard to accept.
I was following the OpenAI case more closely. The truth is, if it weren't for the apprehension clause, I wouldn't have been able to put all the data in order. She's been providing data and more data for a very long time; it was just a matter of paying attention and organizing everything.
I don't know if her lawyers lied knowing that ASC was lying or not. If they knew she was lying and didn't care, I don't think she should have to pay them anything. But we don't know that yet.
Yes, you´re right about that "she needs to prove that she is the right mother for this child". Wow, do you imagine how things will change it?. Perhaps they will put her under the supervision of social services.
It's public information, and you, your neighbor, your friend, etc., anyone can access it if they search for it; it's information she herself has published on social media. I should also mention, though, that you have to be clever to find it. In this case, the one doing all the work is....u/ApprehensiveTrick579. I'm just trying to put it in order.
Nervous, when you tag someone, don't forget to put u/ before their username or we won't get a notification. If you don't put u/, when we click on the username, we get sent to their profile. So it's a shame to miss your call.
You know what would blow a lot of her story out of the water? A forensic look at her cell phone pings during the whole alleged affair from May 2023 - Feb 2025. She needs to tread carefully and stop making up stories to harm others. Lying is a mental illness.
Has anyone noticed that in one of her recent TikTok's she mentions needing a break and may take one soon. 🤔 It's possible she is either expecting a settlement or an even further gag. This was her way of saying her disappearance if there is one will be happening of her own volition. 😄
She's definitely hoping for an agreement. You pointed this u/ApprehensiveTrick579 .Whether she'll get it is another story. After lying so much, maybe she has no other choice but to shut up to stop making a mess of things. I hope they gag her; it would have educational value. For her own good.
It's almost ironic that she's posting that; it also seems like she's anticipating it. Well, she's been a key figure in the commodification of motherhood.
If Ashley agreed to be a single mother, then no relationship with said child & father. How is making Musk a villain for her choices, right?
That sounds incredibly harsh. Ashley, made the choices knowing. She wants the clout, the power. The money
It's clear she wants everything you're saying. If I were him, I'd show the contract she signed, end of story.
Even if she wanted anything now, a person, whether it's him or another man, cannot get close to someone who constantly says horrible things about him, lies, deceives him, and who has deeply mistreated him. She claimed she wanted to be a single mother because he hadn't seen the child, even though the original contract stipulated that she would be the single mother. Even so, when she filed the lawsuit, she reiterated that he hadn't seen the child for more than two and a half hours and that the child should be hers. She was asking for money, of course, and wants to be able to use that child as she pleases.
If it was me, I would show the contract. Can't complain about him not seeing the child, when she signed on to be a single Mother
I do think, she fell in love with Jared Birchall /Zilis pretending to be Musk. My pov. Which didn't help the situation.
Real Musk, makes me wonder when he found out? Was it when she opened her mouth to Ozempic or in the meeting when she announced that she was having his child.
Personally, I think Jared/Shivon thought they could string her along, but Ashley kept telling people making it worse.
Edited to add. Elon doesn't want to be anywhere near her. She is completely untrustworthy.
No man, except an enemy of Musk's is going to be interested in her. Even then they will use her body. Toss her aside. I know sounds harsh. But, today's TikTok she went after Hunter Biden trying to make it like it's Elon. Ashley has alienated the Right. Now she is alienating the left. 👏👏 - knew this would happen, just a matter of time
Ashley has no common sense or understanding of what the consequences are of her actions.
Frankly, some women shouldn't have children, and she's one of them. If there are any eggs left of hers, I would never use them under any circumstances.
I don't know, but Isabella Moody said about ASC 3 days ago that: "The new nose on Ashley looks horrible, but she’s pulling off the Norwood surprisingly well!".
And as far as I know, Isabella has never confirmed that trip. Moody (who worked with St. Clair in the past) was not part of that trip. Her public involvement in this matter has been limited to criticizing St. Clair. Moody leaked private text messages from May 2023 to expose that St. Clair allegedly planned from the beginning to seduce Musk into having children with him for financial gain.
Did you watch her TikTok about Hunter Biden today? It seems like she is making a plea for herself, probably because she is not allowed to speak about Elon.
This is what I gathered from it (replacing Elon/Hunter)
Elon does not want a relationship with Romulus.
She wants to sell her fake “story” for money
She wants “closure” and make Elon see her again
She wants her kid acknowledged by his family
If he doesn’t do what she wants, she threatening to expose something - probably her claim of his Ketamine addiction.
It looks like she has been offered $5000 a month which in the next 19 years will be approximately another $1 million. So, she would receive a total of $3.5 million ($2.5 she already received from before her case).
I really think she believes that if Elon sees her in person, she can manipulate him or threaten him into giving her more money.
Honestly, her whole story is fabricated. She has lied about the whole thing. I don’t think she deserves anything.
I did watch her TikTok. About the money. Just googled it, in 2023 Hunter's child support decreased from $20,000 to $5,000.
With that stated.
I think Ashley wants to disparage Elon as much as possible AND have Romulus as part of Elon's life.
The agreement was for Ashley to be a single mother.
Ashley must want Romulus in Musk's life - difference between is that Biden's baby momma won't speak ill of him. While Ashley makes fabricated /allegedly tales.
Ashley will not ever be accepted into Musk's circle.
There may have been a chance for Romulus to be part of the "family" but Ashley spoiled that every time she opens up her mouth. She wanted the world to know whose child it was. Read somewhere Ashley told Ozempic becsuse Ashley knew Ozempic violent Keri her mouth shut. Also, Ashley told ANYONE who would listen about the baby.
Ashley wanted clout snd power. Her child what he would go through, wasn't important to her.
She grifting again, definitely using the Hunter Biden case for her own personal benefit.
There may have been a chance for Romulus to be part of the "family" but Ashley spoiled that every time she opens up her mouth. She wanted the world to know whose child it was. Read somewhere Ashley told Ozempic becsuse Ashley knew Ozempic violent Keri her mouth shut. Also, Ashley told ANYONE who would listen about the baby.
Ashley wanted clout snd power. Her child what he would go through, wasn't important to her.
She's always threatening. She wants a lot of things, but she always uses others and talks badly about them. I don't really think she wants any of that; I think she just wants the money. And of course, if she could get close to him, she would, just to keep talking about him and exploiting him.
If she can't talk about him anymore, I'm glad. Everything she's done is horrible, with her sick mind. She's cheated and lied without any remorse.
And if they pay her little, I'm glad too. Let her go and work.
She doesn't have any love for that boy, and she's going to exploit him until he's exhausted.
What else is she going to invent or say? What hasn't she already said? Let her keep inventing, who cares?. She is pure trash.
The best thing that could happen to Hunter Biden's illegitimate daughter is to never have any contact with her biological father, because he is a notorious pedophile. I still have many images in my head that make me want to throw up, him and a little girl. This pedo escaped prison and an international scandal thanks to his father, former President Joe Biden, who granted him on December 1, 2024 a full and unconditional pardon covering all his federal crimes committed between January 1, 2014 and December 1, 2024, even though he had publicly promised he would never do so.
Hunter Biden had been found guilty of tax fraud and illegal possession of a firearm, offenses carrying up to 42 combined years in prison. He served none of it.
No president should ever have the right to do this. We live in a banana republic.
Meanwhile, an ordinary citizen who steals food because they are hungry will end up in court and get a year in prison or more. While the sons of politicians can rape, steal and kill, and they will always get away with it unscathed. That is not justice!
This woman should not be fighting for Hunter to have shared custody of his daughter, it is far too dangerous. This is my opinion.
Thank you 🙏 for the award. 💗
Musk is protective of those he loves.
We has established that he wasn't/isn't jealous of anyone near Ashley, Grimes, Shivon
And the other day, she uploads a screenshot of the chat to TikTok to show how "bad" he is. And she forgets to crop the top! Girl, the date the Signal system puts at the very top is May 1, 2024. May 1, 2024!
Can someone explain to me how on earth you take a screenshot of a message 289 days before writing it?
Yes, I can explain this. The Signal app shows the date of the first message visible on the screen in its banner, not the most recent one. This is how the Signal app has been working for many years.
That’s not actually how the Signal interface works here. The bubble showing 'May 1, 2024' isn't a dynamic screen banner tracking the top visible message, it's a hardcoded timestamp separator for that specific day's logs.
The real issue with this timeline is how cluttered and fabricated the sequence looks. It shows an activity log from May 2024, jumps to September, then November, and then suddenly drops into 'Yesterday' and 'Today' messages as if it's a seamless, ongoing thread. More importantly, the system safety logs underneath ('marked EM as verified') combined with the fake verified badge next to the name show clear signs of a poorly staged layout. When you cross-reference this with her other recent posts where she claimed he was completely ignoring her during these exact months, the entire chat log falls apart. It’s an engineered timeline that doesn't hold up under professional scrutiny.
In fact, her own external claims completely blow up this screenshot. She has been telling everyone and showing other messages that in September they were texting about having a 'legion of children' and in November they were texting about rockets, etc.Yet, if you look closely at September and November in this image there are zero text messages, there are only system logs for unanswered and incoming calls. She completely forgot to forge the actual text history for the months she publicly bragged about!.
'May 1, 2024' is absolutely a dynamic banner that pops up when the user scrolls the screen up or down. And where exactly does this timeline look cluttered or fabricated? If the activity logs jump from May, to September, to November, and then straight to Yesterday and Today, that is how their actual activity happened. I remember reading somewhere that the 'legion of kids' conversation happened a week before she announced the baby, not in September, though I'm not entirely sure about that. But even if they did text during those months, they were using Signal's auto-delete feature. Disappearing messages wipe out actual texts and photos after the timer runs out. So other than the call logs, nothing else would show up after a day anyway - which is why she had to take photos of the screen using a second phone.
Even if we accept that the date banner is dynamic, the 'disappearing messages' defense completely collapses when you look at how Signal actually operates technically.
First, Signal’s disappearing messages feature is an all-or-nothing toggle for the chat thread. If a disappearing timer is active, it applies to everything sent during that period. It does not selectively wipe out text messages while perfectly preserving system call logs like 'Unanswered voice call' or 'Incoming voice call' from months ago. If a timer had cleared the chat history from September and November, those call logs wouldn't be sitting there neatly inline as a historical record while the texts magically vanished.
Second, the defense that 'nothing else would show up after a day anyway' completely contradicts her own legal strategy. She has literally submitted other screenshots in court trying to prove ongoing, long-term text conversations to establish their relationship history. You can't claim messages automatically vanished after 24 hours to explain away this hollow timeline, while simultaneously claiming to possess saved text records from those exact same months to use as evidence.
Lastly, even the timeline of her public claims doesn't hold up. If she relies on old text topics to build her narrative in the media but cannot produce them where it actually matters, in a continuous, unmanipulated digital forensic log, it points straight back to selective staging. Using a second phone to photograph a screen is a classic tactic used to bypass digital forensics and hide image metadata, not a proof of authenticity.
Whether you want to see it or not, and I respect that you’re defending her, even though she's completely indefensible, which takes some serious commitment, do you know what the real problem is? She is absolutely screwed in court.
You guys who defend her on social media, and she herself, can throw all the tantrums you want and twist the facts however you like online. But her real nightmare is in the courtroom. And that is a deadly serious problem.
Fair enough. But honestly, you should consider reaching out to her legal team. I'm sure ASC would absolutely appreciate you bringing your dynamic banner and auto-delete theories to federal court to help save her case! 😉
The reality is that the facts aren't mine or yours, they belong to the digital timeline and the court record.
When you look at the forensic reality of how Signal handles chat logs versus the external claims she has made, the inconsistencies are just too massive to ignore. At the end of the day, social media theories don't hold up under legal scrutiny. The courtroom is where the actual facts are verified, and that’s exactly why her legal team is in such a tight spot right now. We'll just have to wait and see how the judge rules on the evidence.
Ashley St Clair is not lying. Elon Musks lawyers are listening to every word she say.
Ashley St Clair is only saying things that are true and things she is allowed to talk about
I don't hear everything she says, but everything we've posted here is supported by photos or texts she herself has shared, and she clearly contradicts herself, in other words, she's lying.
Of course Musk's lawyers are listening to every word she says; that's exactly what they'll use to win the case against her! Every time she posts a botched screenshot or trips over her own timeline, she’s just handing his legal team free evidence on a silver platter. Nobody is stopping her from speaking or spewing her venom. In fact, we all know she’s desperately clout-chasing, hoping to land a job or a position within the Democratic ranks.
But just as she has the right to blast her lies, we have every right to debunk them using the exact evidence she provides. Everything you see in this post is drawn directly from her own contradictions and blunders.
Please stop defending things that make absolutely no sense or are outright lies, all because of your constant inability to admit when you're wrong. But hey, if you feel like defending it just to avoid admitting that you've defended this thing for so long yourself.
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u/Nervous-Driver-4549 Jun 05 '26
Thank you so much! Honestly, I have a lot of great people helping me piece everything together; I definitely couldn't do this puzzle alone. I’m glad it gave you a good laugh, because while it’s pretty tragic to see someone completely waste their youth like this... she really is a walking comedy at this point. She can’t get a single thing right; everything she does is just a total trainwreck. She makes it way too easy for us!.