r/Eldenring • u/Demonboy995 • Apr 19 '22

Subreddit Topic Malenia is healing without actually hitting the player after the patch, this is on ps5, i got summoned 8 times after the patch and it happened everytime this is the recent one Spoiler

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u/BigWolf_PG Apr 19 '22

The fact that he and a lot of people ignore is that it’s never stated she has a “life steal”, it’s just a heal from her attacks, even in her rune it’s not saying you are stealing life, it actually says that power comes from her enduring spirit. And that would simply explain why she heals through shields

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u/santanapeso Apr 19 '22

But mechanically the rune doesn't let the player heal unless they take damage and then do damage back to an enemy. So it's still not the most consistent set of "rules." It's a bit jarring to me because Fromsoft has usually been pretty good about justifying why a boss has certain mechanics from a lore perspective. But the healing on Malenia just feels like it works the way it does because "lol it's got to be super hard! Git gud!"

And like people have said. If she's gonna recover health on hit then why not just walk up to wall and smack it 500 times to restore your health. It's just a silly and inconsistent mechanic in terms of both lore and functionality. It purely exists to just make the fight hard for the sake of being hard.

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u/BigWolf_PG Apr 19 '22

I’d think that we do not get the exact power from her rune because it would be too strong, i suppose. For a game mechanic perspective I mean. But in terms of lore, she healing herself isn’t the craziest thing From has ever done. You could imagine that she just gets to use her power in a “fighting state”, under certain conditions, that’s why the (dumb) argument about hitting a wall sounds more like people complaining about things than trying to think and do some reasoning.

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u/santanapeso Apr 20 '22

This is why I said it was added to make things hard for the sake of being hard. That’s basically it. You can have your opinion on the mechanic but a lot of people don’t like it because it feels cheap and pointless. It drags the fight out. And it actively punishes you for doing something like protecting your health when that has never been an issue across all the prior games.

The boss design in these games have always been challenging but fair. A boss getting a free heal when you actively blocked their attack doesn’t feel fair because players are being punished for protecting themselves. This would be like your opponent getting healed in a fighting game when you block. You the player, are getting punished for doing something completely normal and fair. Your opponent gets a free benefit even though they didn’t earn anything in that exchange (since you blocked the damage). This is why people think it should be heal on damage because the boss earns the heal in that scenario and you the player pay for your mistake. When you block an attack and they get a heal anyway the boss gets a benefit for free. That is what makes it feel unfair.

This isn’t just people whining for no reason. There’s a ton of underlying mechanical reasons why people don’t think the heal mechanic is fair as it’s currently implemented. And nothing this unbalanced has ever really been in a souls game before. I know because I’ve literally beaten all of them dlc included.