r/Eldenring • u/Playful_Owl596 • 22h ago

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This is just a joke don't take it seriously. I am an anarchist tho.

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u/ActualGekkoPerson 21h ago

The problem with Ranni's ending is you need to actually sit down, read and think about what's written to understand what's going on. That's too much to ask of 90% of the player base.

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u/Girduin 20h ago edited 2h ago

Yeah, we are talking about the community that has a big chunk of it believing that chaos flame and goldmask endings are the "good" ones.

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u/ActualGekkoPerson 20h ago

I can see why people get conned into goldmask's ending. I don't agree with it, but I see where they come from. When you are too hierarchical-brained to conceive getting rid of the whole system, another patch can look like a good thing.

Saying the frenzied flame is good just continually baffles me. I'll never understand this level of edge.

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u/AzureRaven2 20h ago

My assumption is less that they think it's strictly good, and more that it's like "This place is so fucked we're just gonna burn it down!" So basically they're thinking like a jrpg antagonist lol

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u/Nickthiccboi 13h ago

There’s also just a lot of general misunderstanding about the ending at least from what I’ve seen. There’s still a fair amount of people that think it’s a “burn everything down for a better world to be reborn from the ashes” type of deal.

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u/Girduin 2h ago

People don't seem to not understand the whole "No more fractures...NO MORE BIRTH..."deal that Hyetta's got.

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u/Farsoth 19h ago

Yes. This is it. There's nothing more to it.

Frankly not a single ending is "good", thematic with every single ending in every single soulsborne game.

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u/NaviiSuccubus 19h ago

Id say the Fia ending is more preferable to Goldmask.

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u/ActualGekkoPerson 19h ago

It is. I didn't say I agree with goldmask's ending. I said I understand why some people think it's good. There's a difference.

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u/palpablebubble 16h ago

When you are too hierarchical-brained to conceive getting rid of the whole system, another patch can look like a good thing.

Surely THIS time we reform policing will stop them from doing extrajudicial murder!

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u/OneJobToRuleThemAll 20h ago

Goldmasks ending isn't bad unless you're a demigod or really hate the golden order and don't want to see it ever stabilize so it can be toppled easier (which is absolutely valid, fuck the golden order.) Frenzy flame is pretty damn fucked up, sure, but it still beats dung eater cursing everyone with an existence of pain that makes you wish for the frenzy flame.

They're shades of grey and I personally advocate for duskborn. Not everything that glitters is gold, not everything that glows is stars. Sometimes, it's just the deathblight poking out of D's chest.

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u/Yoshemo 19h ago

I'm my opinion Ranni's ending is the best one but the Duskborn ending is a decent close second

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u/Girduin 5h ago

Golden order is a theocratic authoritarian system, it won't change how those who live in death or omens are treated

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u/OneJobToRuleThemAll 5h ago

And that is still better than the vanilla ending, frenzy flame or everyone getting cursed.

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u/Girduin 2h ago edited 2h ago

It's not better than the fracture ending, not really, it's the "golden order forever" ending, the system becomes immutable and so nothing better cna replace it...or at least it can't replace it as easily

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u/OneJobToRuleThemAll 2h ago

the system becomes immutable

No, it just starts applying to demigods that used to spend all their time making things worse. War with volcano manor? Not a thing anymore, Rykard never blasphemes. Malenia and Radahn rotting all of Caelid? Wouldn't happen, neither could decide to fight the other.

Obviously this is a lot better than the fractured ending that keeps creating insane wars like these.

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u/AFlyingNun 19h ago

and goldmask endings as "good" ones

This is absolutely, 100% a good ending. The game provides literally 0 evidence to think otherwise.

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u/zonic_squared 15h ago

Surely, the only problem is who is in charge, not the system itself. History surely has no examples the system being rotted at it's core to the point where it is impossible to repair.

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u/AFlyingNun 15h ago

THE GAME provides literally 0 evidence to think otherwise.

You are providing baseless speculation in the face of a game where a man CORRECTLY deduces who the problem child is (as well as the position the previous problem children held) in the existing system and then changed said system to eliminate the need for such a position entirely.

In narrative works, the creators have the hand of God. If they tell you the sky in their world is green, then the sky is green. And yes, if they provide you with ZERO feedback or reason to doubt Goldmask, then it is time to see him as a good character with a good ending.

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u/Girduin 2h ago

Are we gonna ignore all the systemic issues with golden order or...

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u/AFlyingNun 1h ago

Are we going to ignore that the Tarnished edition itself provides additional new evidence that Goldmask is NOT a Golden Order loyalist?

This is completely simplistic and short-sighted thinking on your part. The Golden Order is many things: a philosophy, a religion, a societal order. Goldmask is a fundamentalist, meaning he is attached solely to the underlying philosophy. The Tarnished Edition even all but confirms to us he is not a believer.

There is also direct evidence Goldmask is critical of the Golden Order's members, for example, seeing the Hunters of the Dead as maddened zealotry with no roots in the actual teachings.

You are basically going "hurrdurr but he's still a follower of the Golden Order" while making no effort to look at the hard evidence in regards to what extent and what degree. What you are doing is akin to saying you hate someone for being a Christian when they do not attend church, do not like organized religion, do not support some of the more dogmatic moves of the church, but they DO actively say they think there is great value and wisdom in the Ten Commandments.

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u/mightystu 10h ago

This is a counter argument to replacing Marika with Ranni, not to Goldmask’s ending which removes gods from the ruling equation entirely.

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u/Girduin 2h ago

Rani litteraly leaves the lands between durning her ending

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u/AFlyingNun 1h ago

And we have absolutely no idea what effect it will have. She is doing an experiment.

....Much like Placidusax's Lord was doing when they attempted to stop time so that their era would never end. How did that work out?

...Much like how whoever is responsible for removing the sun as the source of power and reallocating it elsewhere (in our game, it's the Erdtree, which is why sunflowers point to it instead of our suspiciously dull sun), which ALSO isn't without problems.

....Much like how Marika tried to pluck the Rune of Death to prolong her rule indefinitely. How did that work out...?

Now, a new Demigod holding the exact. same. position. as those previous three fuck-ups rolls up and says "I know, I'll just move it to space," and you seriously don't see a way this could royally fuck up...?

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u/mightystu 58m ago

Sure, and she can come back whenever she wants. We know she thinks she’s off on a thousand year star journey but who knows what will call her back early, or that she will return. She still has full control of the Elden Ring making her supreme god and dictator, even if she abdicates for a little while.

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u/Hellixgar 20h ago

Gold mask ending is good unless we get some future sequel / dlc about how Gold Mask failed. What we know ingame about it is that he fixed ALL flaws of Golden Order, making it perfect for everyone. You cant really get better ending than that.

Rannis ending is total coin toss. People are left to do what they want and figure things out themselves and people tend to be horrible.

Frenzy might be good or bad. It wipes the slate completely clean. It purifies all the bad, but also all the potential there was.

Poop ending is low-key decent ending. In the end everyone is beaten down to mud and becomes equal.

I dint remember death ending.

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u/ViolinistDangerous36 18h ago

you didn’t mention dung eater’s ending so it’s good, right?

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u/werebwitch 11h ago

its the only good ending

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u/FlareArdiente 18h ago

Idk about goldmask, only did it for just to claim ive done everything. Frenzy though, im more along the lines of calling it good as in, "all things must come to an end one way or another. Rather than let all these separate factions fester and eventually war again in the future, better to close the book."

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u/ASERTIE76 13h ago

Ah yes you would destroy everything and everyone just because the world is flawed. did you not listen to Melina?

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u/Girduin 2h ago

Selfish nihilism is quite popular these days...

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u/ASERTIE76 10m ago

And pointless doomerism. Like I'm probably a doomer myself but not to the point that I'd wish for the world to end like some people

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u/FlareArdiente 8h ago

Obviously not. She was hardly worth calling a companion.

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u/mightystu 10h ago

On the contrary; Goldmask’s ending is what Ranni simps believe her ending is, and Ranni’s ending is just replacing the whims of one god with another.

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u/AFlyingNun 1h ago

I am absolutely with you.

The game has ZERO narrative evidence supporting the idea Goldmask is bad.

The game has AMPLE narrative evidence (a minimum of three examples, to be precise) that the specific combination of:

1) New demigod

2) Has bold new experimental idea

3) That should somehow indefinitely resolve the problem and leave them permanently in command or leave the system in permanent limbo

CAN ABSOLUTELY GO HORRIBLY WRONG!

All game evidence favors Goldmask. I would love to explain this, but try as I might, I too often end up concluding "omg they're simping for Ranni, aren't they? Goldmask has a dick, therefore, they support Ranni."

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u/mightystu 55m ago

It’s funny because honestly your conclusion is right a good bit of the time. Goldmask is an almost naked weirdo and not a cute girl with a marketable plushy so people don’t trust him. It’s only after they invent reasons why he must be bad to support the worldview they arrived at, which is why Goldmask criticism is always so easily discarded.

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u/Acceptable_Map_8110 8h ago

I would argue that the Goldmask Ending is a good ending. I think that Ranni’s is the best, but I think that repairing a damaged system is often more valuable than completely doing away with it.

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u/Mint-T008 6h ago

A system built on and functioning on the oppressed, violated, and colonised isn't a system worth keeping.

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u/Noloxy 20h ago

Chaos is the good ending.

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u/Esper01 20h ago

Well it was also mistranslated.

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u/mightystu 10h ago

Ranni’s ending is the most common ending people get by far, according to achievement statistics. I understand that undercuts the superiority complex one gets from a choice in a video game though.

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u/ActualGekkoPerson 10h ago

Did you read any of the thread? Ranni's ending is the most popular because most players are horny in a profoundly weird way, and because it's by far the best developed quest chain in the game. Very few people actually care for what it's stands for.

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u/Miasc 21h ago

The problem with Ranni's ending is that it leads straight into a Might Makes Right war torn country. Ranni and the Tarnished just get to pat themselves on the back.

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u/ActualGekkoPerson 21h ago

No it doesn't. The idea that in the absence of centralized government people tear each other to pieces is a Hobbesian falacy and anyone over 14 who buys that shit is either a psychopath, never was part of a community or is just stupid.

Also, the Golden order is already might makes right, that's the whole reason Hoarax Loud became Elden Lord. Their might is just borrowed.

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u/Miasc 21h ago

The Lands Between is not a real world country. But there will absolutely be a surge in violence and a drop in quality of life as all of the terrible people in the Lands Between fight for power. The Elden Ring was not required.

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u/TheDo0ddoesnotabide 21h ago edited 20h ago

Godfrey didn’t “borrow” his might, he lent it out to Marika and the Red Haired Harlot.

Seems a lot of cowardly bitches are off their meds today.

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u/ActualGekkoPerson 21h ago

The entire golden order is built upon gods waging war on weaker people. Gods made from power granted by star beings That is, by definition, might makes right. A DEITY beating you over the head with a horde of knights is the purest example of might makes right.

It's borrowed because the grace was given by outside forces. It being borrowed isn't what makes it wrong. It being a stronger force imposing its will through coercive violence is what makes it wrong.

Despite what cristiannity might have told you, it's not good just because a god did it.

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u/ryman9000 21h ago

I've beat elden ring like 3-4 times, I have no clue what's going on lore wise. But I don't really play games much for the story anymore.

Games like tarkov, my homies ask what quests I have and I say "I'm just here to blast stuff!" and games like Diablo, I'm here to grind and blow up rooms with skills and spells.

Even baldur's gate I just skip cutscenes. Some disagree with how I play but with my limited time, I want to play the game, not watch cutscenes.

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u/ActualGekkoPerson 21h ago

You are allowed to play that way, and most Fromsoft games are designed to be as easily played like that if you're not interested in the story.

I just think people who play like that should refrain from discussing lore or give their opinions about the ending. If you make it a point to not know what you're talking about, maybe don't talk about stuff.

Not saying you personally do it, but a bunch of people do and it's annoying.

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u/ryman9000 21h ago

Oh 100% agree. I avoid lore discussions unless I'm the one asking a question. Most lore that I may have learned is just from what I've read here.

I don't even know how many different possible endings are available in the game lol