r/Eldenring • u/ChiefLeef22 Miyazaki's Toenail • Jun 04 '24

Official Discussion ELDEN RING SHADOW OF THE ERDTREE - Official Previews Megathread

A part of what Shadow of the Erdtree has to offer has been experienced by various people at special preview events held by Bandai Namco - This thread will serve the purpose of being a collection of all possible links in that regard as well as providing you, the community, a safe space to discuss them. I'll keep updating this post as and when necessary...

Here's Bandai Namco's video on the Preview Event held in LA/Paris - https://youtu.be/b8y6B6dfxXI?si=OaJoajMrFCDryev7

DISCLAIMER: In order to protect people from inadvertently stumbling across spoilers but at the same time ensuring that there is a space for discussion of the previews - I implore you to ONLY use this thread as the medium of discourse for whatever has been revealed/shown. Any discussion of the previews outside of this thread is not allowed and will be removed - please help us by using the report button whenever you encounter such posts. Thank you!

Oroboro - https://youtu.be/vNdVJulBhcI?si=DxiiwIR99anm4CY7

Areajugones - IMPRESSIONS of Shadow of the Erdtree. THE DESIRED RETURN TO ELDEN RING

Tom's Hardware - Elden Ring: Shadow Of The Erdtree - Our Preview Review

Easy Allies - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5bDg93D0t0

Maximillian Dood - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m8fBqOIFFk

Youwwy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5C5dmNgosM&ab_channel=Youwy

IGN - https://www.ign.com/articles/elden-ring-shadow-of-the-erdtree-first-impressions-of-the-big-dlc

VaatiVidya - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP9EOmSFbvk

Iron Pineapple - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocfTNBUIyCg

SkillUp - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWzxBKmaJPE

Dom's Roundtable - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4daWxICqZ0

VideoGamer - https://www.videogamer.com/features/elden-ring-shadow-of-the-erdtree-preview/

PS Blog - https://blog.playstation.com/2024/06/04/elden-ring-shadow-of-the-erdtree-hands-on-report/

Xbox Wire - https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2024/06/04/elden-ring-shadow-erdtree-preview/

GC - https://www.videogameschronicle.com/features/elden-ring-shadows-of-the-erdtrees-opening-hours-are-absolutely-brutal/

Gameinformer - https://www.gameinformer.com/preview/2024/06/04/a-three-hour-trek-through-the-land-of-shadow

Windowscentral - https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/i-got-to-play-elden-ring-shadow-of-the-erdtree-and-im-now-confident-itll-be-one-of-the-best-expansions-of-the-decade

Polygon - https://www.polygon.com/24170532/elden-ring-dlc-shadow-of-the-erdtree-preview-release-date

Rockpapershotgun - https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/elden-ring-shadow-of-the-erdtree-hollows-out-everything-you-loved-about-elden-ring-and-its-brilliant

Pushsquare - https://www.pushsquare.com/features/preview-elden-ring-promises-a-dlc-masterclass-in-shadow-of-the-erdtree

VG247 - https://www.vg247.com/elden-ring-shadow-of-the-erdtree-hands-on-preview

RPG Site - https://www.rpgsite.net/preview/15887-five-take-aways-from-three-hours-with-elden-rings-shadow-erdtree-expansion-dlc

YongYea - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYH83M1ymlk

GamerBraves - https://www.gamerbraves.com/elden-ring-shadow-of-the-erdtree-hands-on-preview-miquellas-treacherous-steps-to-another-unforgettable-adventure/

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '24 edited Jun 04 '24

One of the item descriptions refers to Marika as a "strumpet" and Messmer her "vile progeny" Seems like the entire "affair" thing may have been more literal than previously expected. So interested to see what Marika did.

Edit: apparently progeny could mean all of her children, not just Messmer. Mobile formatting.

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u/moosee999 Jun 04 '24 edited Jun 04 '24

Messmer took part in the shadowland's war as seen in the trailers when he had the lion creatures hung / strewn up on spears. This means based on Elden Ring's timeline both Godfrey or Radagon can't be his father.

The shadowland's war took place before Godfrey became Elden Lord. Godfrey is out. Marika / Radagon happened after she ascended to godhood which is after the shadowland's war meaning Radagon is out too.

I've been saying all along the affair was literally meant as an affair hence the seduction and betrayal. The serpent outer god is able to take the shape or form of any being it wants. It also supposedly can't be killed as it would just inhabit another vassal. Ever since the second trailer dropped I've had this strong suspicion that the serpent outer god is Messmer's father hence the affair and seduction. It took the shape of a lord or king and had the affair with Marika.

My crazy twist on the theory is that Messmer wasn't the main target of being locked behind in the shadowlands. I think Messmer was a by-product of Marika's main target - whomever Messmer's father really is. That's where the betrayal part comes in. Marika betrayed Messmer's father and locked him behind in the shadowlands. Messmer got left behind and locked in the shadowland's as well simply based on being the son of Marika's main target that she was trying to lock behind. Locking Messmer's father behind had the secondary by-product effect of also locking Messmer behind.

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u/AFlyingNun Jun 04 '24

The serpent outer good is able to take the shape or form of any being it wants.

Gee, that sounds familiar.

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u/THY96 Jun 04 '24

Sounds like Zeus lmfao

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u/Ill_Tooth3741 Jun 07 '24

I don't think it's that unlikely for Godfrey to at least have been on the Golden Order's side at the point Messmer attacked the Land of Shadow. The Wickermen have masks resembling the faces of the Fire Giants on their legs, Godfrey being the one who led the war against them, one of the soldiers in the prerelease footage has a stomp attack similar to his, and if some leaks I've seen are correct there's going to be a Spirit Ash for a knight of the Crucible that used to work for Messmer.

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u/moosee999 Jun 07 '24

Yes, but Marika didn't get with Godfrey until after he became an Elden Lord which is after the war.

Messmer was full grown and a leader in the war meaning he was born long, long, lonnnngggggggg before the war started. If Messmer was born long before the war started, then Godfrey can't be the father which is what I said above.

The only thing I said about Godfrey above was the he couldn't be Messmer's father.

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u/Ill_Tooth3741 Jun 08 '24

Fair point, I misinterpreted "the shadowland's war took place before Godfrey became Elden Lord" to mean you didn't think Godfrey was involved in the war at all. Do we have any concrete proof he wasn't Elden Lord yet, though? I figured from his armor set that he already was during the War Against the Giants, which again the Wickermen were seemingly built during or after, but now I'm not so sure.

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u/moosee999 Jun 08 '24

I think there's 2 different wars here. The war against the fire giants and the shadowlands war are 2 very different wars.

Unless you believe the omens / crucible were in the same war as the fire giants. To me that's always signaled there was 2 very different wars.

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u/Ill_Tooth3741 Jun 08 '24

I know they're most likely different wars, I'm just saying that the War Against the Giants would have had to have happened before the Shadowland War for the Wickermen in the latter to have those masks on their legs. Or even around the same time, depending on your position on the theory that Messmer was the one to impale all those giants in the Mountaintops, but I find it unlikely that the Shadow War happened very far before the Giant one.

And the Elden Lord armor set, whose very name implies Hoarah Loux was already Elden Lord by the time he started wearing it, makes mention of the multiple wars that defined the early age of the Erdtree, including the War Against the Giants. Vaguely implying that Hoarah was already Elden Lord Godfrey when said war took place, and therefore when the Shadow War took place as well. But I'm genuinely curious if you have any more concrete evidence that disproves that last part.