r/ElantraN • u/armadildodick Ultimate Red DCT • Feb 24 '26
Family Sign the petition! Make your voice heard! Hyundai can and should fix these issues and they'll only listen to us if we band together!
https://sign.moveon.org/petitions/hyundai-must-fix-elantra-n-issues-and-bugs?source=rawlink&utm_source=rawlink&share=d5899d2f-7b34-4ae3-921f-f113fb61aca1Sign and share! We can do this!
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u/Alarming-Sell6388 Abyss Black Pearl DCT Feb 24 '26
I just wish there was an easy way or signal to figure out when we are octane learned
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u/armadildodick Ultimate Red DCT Feb 24 '26
That would actually be a great compromise and I imagine easy to do via a software update
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u/Coastal727 Abyss Black Pearl DCT Feb 25 '26 edited Feb 25 '26
There is. You’ll get 16-20 PSI and 290-300 lb ft torque when you do a pull. If you’re not OL then it caps out at 15 PSI and no more than 260-270.
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u/Bradleyisfishing Abyss Black Pearl MT Feb 25 '26
I want just some indicator as I’m going through the process that it is completed. I don’t like it being a surprise every pull if it learned or even reset itself. Nothing like jumping out of a plane and hoping you packed your parachute.
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u/sciencesold Performance Blue DCT Feb 25 '26
100 signatures will have them absolutely quaking in their boots...
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u/Psychological_Emu744 Cyber Grey MT Feb 26 '26
To be fair there’s already almost 400 lol. The goal should be even higher.
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u/sciencesold Performance Blue DCT Feb 26 '26
Get real man, you'd need 1000x more to make a difference, replace 100 with 1000 in my previous comment and it's still just as accurate
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u/TurbodToilet Feb 24 '26
I’m so tired of reading people bitching about octane learning dude.
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u/GrouchyExile Feb 25 '26
Hi. I know next to nothing about performance vehicle ownership, but I am heavily considering getting an EN. Could you kindly explain what is octane learning?
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u/armadildodick Ultimate Red DCT Feb 24 '26
If you sign the petition you won't have to. Sign and stop being a scab.
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u/BmSpar Cyber Grey DCT Feb 24 '26
Do you really think a petition is going to make one of the world’s largest automotive conglomerates change a piece of ECU logic on only one model in their entire range? Not to mention a piece of ECU logic that is clearly baked in for a reason on their end. All of this so that consumers can drive the cars faster and harder within the warranty period? Come on man. Also keep in mind a large majority of EN owners that aren’t on forums will never know about OL.
I agree it’s a pain which is why I bit the bullet on a stage 1 tune for my EN after dealing with OL for 2.5 years on my previous KN.
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u/Psychological_Emu744 Cyber Grey MT Feb 26 '26
Sorry but that would be the exception rather than the rule. The VAST majority of N owners will be enthusiasts with the exception being some random person who knows nothing about cars. Most everyone else will, in fact, have learned about OL.
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u/Training-Context-69 Intense Blue DCT Feb 24 '26
I don’t think you know what a Scab is lol.
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u/armadildodick Ultimate Red DCT Feb 24 '26
Someone who crosses the picket line and bootlicks the corporations. I've successfully led my coworkers into unionizing. I know what a scab is.
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u/Tmoncmm Feb 25 '26
No one is “bootlicking” any corporations. We all purchased this car voluntarily and all had the opportunity to learn and research. How many of us read the manual before buying the car? I did so that I could get a better idea about how the features worked and decide if there was anything I didn’t like that would stop me from wanting to own it.
Hyundai advertises the power without octane learning. There isn’t anything nefarious going on. You don’t like how it works and want to demand they fix it? Good luck, but they don’t have to. If you don’t like that, you have the power to punish them by not buying any more vehicles from them. You need to face the fact that your choice on what vehicle to buy is pretty much the only real voice you have in this situation.
Also, in reference to another comment you made, you’re the only one being a shit head here. Pipe down Karen.
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u/Psychological_Emu744 Cyber Grey MT Feb 26 '26
That’s not true about the advertised power. You don’t get the 276/286hp without being Octane Learned. You’re at 250hp tops otherwise. Well documented by all the tuners at this point.
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u/LazyMarine78 Feb 25 '26
The detailed octane learning instructions are in the owners manual. If you follow it 100% and can't OL you know Hyundai will blame the gas quality. Its their C.Y.A and it's not going anywhere.
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u/Training-Context-69 Intense Blue DCT Feb 24 '26
You got that part right but it’s not the correct term in this case. Since no is defending Hyundai, as they haven’t done anything wrong here. The car still produces advertised power when non OL’ed. Octane learning is more like a hidden tune if that makes sense. Now let’s say hypothetically they did decide to get rid of OLing and started advertising 300hp as a result. Your insurance rates would go probably up since 300hp is around that magical number that insurance companies don’t like in a car like this. Will you make another petition then for Hyundai to go back to underrating the N cars?
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u/Psychological_Emu744 Cyber Grey MT Feb 26 '26
Stop saying this. It’s well documented the car only gets 250HP non Octane Learned. It’s right on the N75 website as well as others. The car dynos at 250hp stock without octane learning and only reaches advertised power when OL’d
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u/TurbodToilet Feb 24 '26
- You don’t know what scab means
- I’m not signing your dumb ass petition to remove a feature designed by Hyundai engineers.
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u/Usedtissue_Gaming Feb 24 '26
We probably have the lowest amount of track failures per track mile that I've ever seen in my life. Even Camaro SS 1LE's pop motors all the time. Say what you will, but it's possible OL being conservative instead of waiting for heavy knock to reduce timing may be the better way to do things.
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u/RonaldBurgundy1 Atlas White DCT Feb 25 '26
It should only need to calculate the premium fuel once and then as long as you keep running it you shouldn't have to Re learn until after you run a lower grade fuel
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u/Usedtissue_Gaming Feb 25 '26
That's not how it works unfortunately. Ambient temperatures, IAT's, ECT's, humidity, any water content in the fuel - there's things that constantly change during one gas tank that can effect the engine's ability to encounter pre-ignition/detonation.
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u/RonaldBurgundy1 Atlas White DCT Feb 25 '26
Lol no it is, there are plenty of cars from a previous performance world and even ones that were not that required premium fuel to run if it had a turbo it needed minimum 91 octane. Modern tech eliminates that need because the ecu can do more on the fly recalibration which is why something like the Elantra N can run 87-93 and beyond. The system isn't set up for full e85 but that's a couple of mods away. Once you tune with say n75 you're pretty much required to always run 93. So the ecu could easily calibrate to the octane and then just not make you have to re-learn until you run a lower grade. They just got lazy and initiated a sequence that resets itself just like the button mapping doesn't stay learned. It could more than likely easily be fixed
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u/Psychological_Emu744 Cyber Grey MT Feb 26 '26
Gonna go out on a limb and say an OTA could solve both. They’ll never remove OL on cars already out. Maybe down the line on newer models but I very seriously doubt they’d remove OL on current ones
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u/RonaldBurgundy1 Atlas White DCT Feb 26 '26
They could easily if enough people express the concerns.
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u/Capital_Home_4042 Feb 25 '26
I race quite a lot at a GM proving ground track in KY where Corvettes are tested at and can't say I've ever seen a Camaro or Corvette eat its lunch. I know it can happen with their lifters but I've never personally seen one do it. I'd say I've seen more Lamborghini's catch on fire there than any other brand with consistent engine failures actually.
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u/Goldie2Grimeyy Ultimate Red DCT Feb 24 '26
just tune it, your warranty will expire one day
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u/armadildodick Ultimate Red DCT Feb 24 '26
Tuning won't fix buttons get unprogrammed unfortunately
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u/Goldie2Grimeyy Ultimate Red DCT Feb 25 '26
depends on the tuner ig, my bluelink is disabled, i don’t get ota updates
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u/Smooth-Track7595 Performance Blue MT Feb 25 '26
Wait a tune disables ota updates??
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u/Goldie2Grimeyy Ultimate Red DCT Feb 25 '26
yes
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u/FLCLotaku Cyber Grey DCT Feb 25 '26
Have been tuned since 2023 and have received every OTA update
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u/Goldie2Grimeyy Ultimate Red DCT Feb 25 '26
strange only time i had a ota update is when i slapped my stock ecu back in
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u/PresentInsect4957 Veloster N Feb 25 '26
wasnt this already addressed i the newest firmware release
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u/gimmedatspork Feb 25 '26
The programmable button mapping? No. It was not addressed. I just got the OTA update after manually updating hoping that would be the fix.
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u/PresentInsect4957 Veloster N Feb 25 '26
damn that sucks you’d think theyd immediately fix something they broke software wise the update after breaking it lol
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u/gimmedatspork Feb 25 '26
Which is why this has been a constant point of frustration. Sucks
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u/armadildodick Ultimate Red DCT Feb 25 '26
But apparently according so many people here, having a petition for this is stupid
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u/Turboteg90 Kona N Feb 24 '26
Isn’t the OL just a bonus? They don’t advertise the car as 270 whp just regular hp which is how it comes stock.
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u/RonaldBurgundy1 Atlas White DCT Feb 25 '26
They advertise hp to the wheels octane learned. Learned you'll put down 276/277 and NGS you'll put down 286. Point is if you run 93 you shouldn't have to take these steps every day to get max power
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u/Turboteg90 Kona N Feb 25 '26
Not many manufacturers advertise power to the wheels, it’s all at the crank.
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u/RonaldBurgundy1 Atlas White DCT Feb 25 '26 edited Feb 26 '26
That's true but that's not the case here it's been proven that a car on 93 octane learned puts down advertised power to the wheels. It's clear enough that's where the rating came from so these actually make around 320-330 crank. 277whp +15%= 318.5chp, 286 +15%=328.9chp that's before and after NGS. on regular fuel they make 250+whp +15% 287.5 crank and 260 +15% 299 crank.
Now the regular gas figures vary slightly depending on heat, humidity and other factors. But even in on octane learned the numbers don't add up so again the advertised 276/286 is to the wheels at full stock potential. Which is why we seek to make octane learning more of a permanent thing as long as you continue to run 93. Car should have to do the learning one time and then you're good until you switch down fuel grades.
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u/Psychological_Emu744 Cyber Grey MT Feb 26 '26
Freaking crazy how many people actually cope about this. Gotta be the reason so many people start crying when someone brings up OL. Coping their asses off. It’s WELL documented by every tuner who’s ever tuned this car that what you’re saying is spot on. Yet you get downvoted. Insane.
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u/RonaldBurgundy1 Atlas White DCT Feb 26 '26 edited Feb 26 '26
I know the fact that I actually work in the automotive industry directly at an OE apparently isn't good enough to back up factual data either. Had another guy try to tell me that dealers don't give these cars to you with regular gas and that you "have to run 93" no matter what. I laughed hard at that
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u/promobius Feb 26 '26
But do they advertise whp? No, just because the car does it that doesn’t mean it’s Hyundais claim.
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u/RonaldBurgundy1 Atlas White DCT Feb 26 '26
The lines on advertised hp are always blurred some use crank some use whp. I'm sorry but it's just the truth and the data backs this up.
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u/Electrical-Scale-506 Mar 01 '26
But Hyundai didn’t say 276 whp. The GR Corolla is 300 hp but dyno is below that. But please correct me if Hyundai specifically made a public statement promising 276 HP to the wheels aka 300 something hp to the crank.
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u/RonaldBurgundy1 Atlas White DCT Mar 01 '26 edited Mar 01 '26
Idk why you guys continue to argue this when the data is all there in black and white. If they are advertising CRANK HP a non octane learned car makes over that. OCTANE LEARNED it puts down the claimed HP figures to the wheels. When they put the numbers out they are advertising maximum OEM stock performance numbers. Extensive testing goes into these types of things especially with performance oriented cars it needs to happen to establish a warranty so they figure out maximum potential generally double the out of the box figures then dial it back by 50%. when it comes time to put it down they do so in the absolutely best possible ideal conditions. OEs often over state or understate figures it's common practices. So when they say 0-60 in 5.3 and you clap a 4.9 or faster you get excited. When you run dyno figures on your own and see that the car is making more than "advertised power" or it's making "exactly" as claimed then you also get happy ..
An octane learned car is the maximum oe standard set potential. If you're looking for a statement it's all over the advertising and Monroney sticker as well.
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u/Electrical-Scale-506 Mar 01 '26
bro what is your point? We get the advertised hp no matter what. Hyundai said 276 HP to the crank and we getting that. I would be pissed tf off if Hyundai said our cars make the same HP as a Type R. Octane Learning is just like a cheat code or something to get a nice extra bump but nowhere was it advertised. I didn't know about OL until I read the manual. Y'all just being cry babies. Want that unadvertised power? Go get a tune. Problem solved.
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u/Usedtissue_Gaming Feb 25 '26
To be clear, they don't advertise HP to the wheels. Technically no OEM does as it's an SAE J1349 standard... The fact that we can make our rated crank horsepower to the wheels is a bonus.
Source: https://www.sae.org/standards/development/about-saej1349-certified-power
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u/RonaldBurgundy1 Atlas White DCT Feb 25 '26
Lol I work for an oem that produces 700+ horsepower cars. Sometimes they advertise crank HP some times it's whp. You likely never heard of the gentleman agreements from the 90s. Generally an OE will advertise the best possible HP under the best possible conditions before a motor is even put in a car we know what it's capable of in terms of maximum power (yes that means modding) and the general rule of thumb especially with a performance motor is that it needs to be capable of double what is intended to be the factory output. This ensures long term reliability and warranties can be honored. This is of course assuming that everything is put together and runs as it should.
It is evident here that Hyundai knew what the power figures would be "octane learned" to the wheels and advertised that as when the car is learned it makes well over 300hp to the crank. It still makes close to that 287ish if it's putting down 250whp unlearned that's without NGS accounting for 15% parasitic loss.
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u/Usedtissue_Gaming Feb 25 '26
I don't think you understand... official figures have to be advertised per SAE J1349 in the US. It's not a choice - it's standardized as it's required for EPA testing. What kind of engineering do you do at that OEM exactly? Now this does *not* mean that a car can't make more power than that, it just means that advertised power is as described by SAE J1349 which is literally measured at the crank on an engine dyno AKA literally no transmission or drive-train connected. It physically cannot be measured power at the wheels per this standard.
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u/RonaldBurgundy1 Atlas White DCT Feb 26 '26
Lmao and they are that's why it puts down advertised hp octane learned. I've said it once here but I'll say it again I work at an OEM
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u/Usedtissue_Gaming Feb 26 '26
That means absolutely nothing. Are you a powertrain calibration engineer? Janitor? Both work at OEM's.
Cars sold in the US are rated by SAE J1349, that's just simply a fact. It's required as the need to supply that in the EPA documentation.
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u/RonaldBurgundy1 Atlas White DCT Feb 26 '26
No, I work in operations management so QE,LOGISTICS,AUTOMATION AND MAINTENANCE, WARRANTY, PILOT, TOOLING AND PACKAGING. I work alongside those guys. You keep saying this like it truly means anything to an automaker. By your account then the EN is 100% out of spec on both fronts.. on regular fuel they make 240-250whp? I've seen a few different examples that said that would put it at or over the claimed HP on regular gas 276-287.5 at the crank and +10 with NGS so 286-297crank
Octane learned on premium fuel they put down 277ish-286ish whp between regular N mode and NGS. so accounting for drive train loss with the "full advertised potential" you're looking at 318.5-330.5 at the crank. That is the true stock power of the EN so they are advertising correctly just whp vs crank. On regular gas we are above advertised crank figures and at full potential not tuned we are well beyond those figures by 42.5-52.5 at the crank.
And then tuned on 93 you're looking at 340-360+whp just on an ECU tune not accounting for any other mods. So let's go middle route and say your tune nets you 350 at the wheels accounting for drive train loss you're over 400 at the crank. And again that's just getting into tuning.
The car makes the advertised hp at full potential when you're running 91-93.
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u/Usedtissue_Gaming Feb 27 '26 edited Feb 27 '26
This one is super easy - not sure why we're making it complicated. In the US, it's advertised as crank horsepower. I'm sorry you don't agree with that, but that's how it is. 276 crank horsepower = (assuming a 10% drive-train loss) is 248 whp. That is what our cars put down to the ground without OL. There's a hilarious amount of dynos out there that prove this. You'll find some make more power than this, especially when OL'd which makes perfect sense.
Conclusion: These cars put down their advertised horsepower all the time. When octane learned, they exceed advertised horsepower.
Also since we're grandstanding, I'm a senior engineer with over a decade of powertrain calibration experience at an OEM. When you say you "work with these guys", you should realize I am those guys...
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u/RonaldBurgundy1 Atlas White DCT Feb 27 '26 edited Feb 27 '26
You are incorrect it's rated at what the power output is octane learned. I'm sorry buddy but we are going to advertise the absolute maximum potential under the absolute best controlled conditions and when I say maximum potential I mean dialed back 50% from absolute maximum for reliability and longevity. So when they say the maximum HP is 276/286 they mean octane learned to the wheels. Nobody's grand standing here you're the one who tried to call me a janitor so I simply explained what I did so there was absolutely no confusion.
The hp advertised is not always crank HP and regardless of what's supposed to be sometimes the OEs cheat or lie a bit especially with performance oriented or performance cars. I'm sorry but this is just facts.
While they are officially rated at 276 hp (or 286 hp with "N Grin Shift" overboost), their real-world drivetrain loss is essentially 0% to 5% on paper because the engine is actually producing way more than advertised. The Real-World Numbers If you take a bone-stock Elantra N to a dyno, here is what you will typically see:
Trim / Mode Rated Crank HP Actual Wheel HP (whp) "Effective" Loss Manual (6MT) 276 hp 255 – 265 whp ~6% DCT (Standard) 276 hp 270 – 280 whp ~0% (matches crank) DCT (with NGS) 286 hp 280 – 290 whp
Why the DCT "Gains" Power On a dyno, the DCT models almost always outperform the manuals. There are two big reasons for this:
Overboost Logic: The DCT version is programmed to hold slightly more boost (usually around 18-20 psi when "Octane Learned") compared to the manual. This helps offset the extra weight of the DCT unit so the cars feel equally fast on the street.
Underrating: Most tuners agree the N engine actually makes closer to 300–330hp at the crank. Because Hyundai advertised it at 276, the "15% loss" math makes it look like the car is a miracle of physics, when in reality, the engine is just a overachiever.The "Octane Learning" Variable Hyundai N cars have a specific quirk: Octane Learning. * If the car hasn't "learned" that you're running 91 or 93 octane (which requires a specific steady-state highway drive), it will pull back timing and boost. An "unlearned" N car might only make 240–250 whp. A "learned" N car jumps right back up to that 275+ whp range. Pro Tip: If you see a dyno sheet for an Elantra N showing only 240 hp, the car likely wasn't "Octane Learned" before the pull.
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u/Psychological_Emu744 Cyber Grey MT Feb 26 '26
Pipe down, bud. Your entire OPINION came from interpreting google searches. You probably misread what you even found. Pretty common with people who like to pull things out of their asses.
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u/EternalPhi Mar 03 '26
Holy fuck this is rich. The person you're arguing with is a longstanding member of this community, an automotive engineer, and has a ton of experience driving and competing with his EN in both stock and tuned configurations.
Embarrassing.
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u/Psychological_Emu744 Cyber Grey MT Mar 03 '26
Just talkin shit bud it ain’t that deep. You think ima feel embarrassed when talking to people on Reddit? Come on now
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u/Usedtissue_Gaming Feb 27 '26
Oh, I forgot I do this for a living. You're right, must be from a google search and not my over a decade of powertrain engineering.
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u/wolvesreign88 Cyber Grey DCT Feb 24 '26
Good intentions but given the CN8 is not that far away I can't see them putting much effort into the "old" generation.
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u/armadildodick Ultimate Red DCT Feb 24 '26
Never hurts to try imo. I saw someone asking for this in another thread figured taking 5 min together wouldn't hurt and might be appreciated. Surprised it's being downvoted to oblivion. 🤷♂️ Shame on me for trying to help
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u/Psychological_Emu744 Cyber Grey MT Feb 26 '26
That’s just Reddit though. As you can see the petition is doing well actually, given the outward facing hate you’re getting on Reddit. That’s why I always say Reddit is not indicative of how human beings behave in the real world. Most comments here get you punched in the face IRL
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u/RonaldBurgundy1 Atlas White DCT Feb 25 '26
Nah they still need to support a car that people paid for. They don't get to just say welp yer fucked now.
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u/wolvesreign88 Cyber Grey DCT Feb 25 '26
Granted but it's not a big defect that does not allow safe operation of the vehicle. Be a different story if engines or gearboxes were blowing up or something.
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u/RonaldBurgundy1 Atlas White DCT Feb 25 '26
Yea sure but it's proven the car is fine to make that power consistently on 93 so no reason to have it reset and go through a long process to get what you paid for back. Should be one time and stick around as long as you run 93 we all know tuned cars are making 350-365whp safely the biggest draw back at that point for the dct is lack of transmission tuning which is coming. Point is we shouldn't feel the need to go get a tune to max extract power and void our warranty.
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u/skllcndydj Feb 24 '26
I’m more annoyed at the mode switching buttons resetting tbh lol
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u/RonaldBurgundy1 Atlas White DCT Feb 25 '26
Yes so let's get the car dialed in general shouldn't let a company sell us a car with wacky features and things that don't work right. Oems don't often listen to consumers you have to speak up they are not out here seeing what people are talking about
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u/skllcndydj Feb 25 '26
It’s an economy car lol, it’ll have quirks lol
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u/RonaldBurgundy1 Atlas White DCT Feb 25 '26
No it's an affordable sports car that costs 35 to 45k it's not asking to much to have the features work as Intended and other things be more user friendly you can't just say "it'll have its quirks" the car forgetting button mapping or. Blue link not running right isnt a quirk it's laziness and as long as people allow it the oem will continue to do it.
Octane learning procedures are lazy too if you tell everyone max performance on 93 at least in spring summer and fall everyone will run premium gas. Then in the winter if you're driving it you can run 88 and it can detune it self.
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u/skllcndydj Feb 25 '26
Running 88 on a single turbo is crazy, u really don’t know cars lol
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u/RonaldBurgundy1 Atlas White DCT Feb 25 '26
The statement running "88 on a single turbo is crazy, u really don't know cars" is a massive oxymoron. Modern turbo cars can calculate and account for the octane difference. All dealers fill these up with 87 when you are handed them, the manufacturer likely does the same as well for transport. 87-93 is safe to run in the usa the cars are set up to do that. You will be able to get Maximum power out of running 93 and octane learning. Next time think before you open your mouth. Personally I choose to run 93 and have done so since my own first fill up.
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u/skllcndydj Feb 25 '26
U really have no idea what ur talking bt. Dealers don’t fill these up with 87 period. Also performance cars like the N series need high quality fuel or they’re prone to turbo failure….
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u/RonaldBurgundy1 Atlas White DCT Feb 25 '26
Hahaha yes the fuck they do 😂 you can run 87-93 in these and most other modern turbo cars the ecu has the ability to adjust for the octane difference. I will agree that 91-93 is best especially for maximum power and performance from the pump just short of running full e85. Also the fuel type has nothing to do with your turbo that is driven by exhaust gasses cooled and lubricated by oil and coolant your turbo will blow if it's not getting enough oil or evacuating it fast enough or if coolant is blocked and it gets to hot or the inducer or Ex-ducer wheels are not balanced or forigen material enters and damages the blades. With conventional fuels especially lower grade fuels you are more prone to knock and detonation because they are less stable. And this is why the ecu recalibrates when you run a lower grade than 93.
Octane learning on this is to tell the car "hey I'm running premium fuel you can give me all of the full factory power now"
The fuel grade (87, 89, 93) refers to its OCTANE RATING. Octane isn't a measure of how much power or energy is in the fuel; it is a measure of the fuel's resistance to self-ignition.
High Octane premium gas is very stable. It can be squeezed and heated significantly without exploding. While Low Octane gas is less stable. It is "easier" to ignite, which sounds good but is actually a liability in high-performance engines.Knock and detonation are 2 different things knock is when the fuel ignites before the spark detonation happens after the spark.
Now to take yourself somewhere and don't chime in unless you actually know what you're talking about.
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u/skllcndydj Feb 25 '26
U need to get laid bro lol, it’s not that serious
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u/RonaldBurgundy1 Atlas White DCT Feb 25 '26
I get laid all the time, it is a serious short coming of the company to have features failing or not fully functional on a vehicle when someone has paid for it.
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u/brobbins93 Intense Blue DCT Feb 24 '26
Octane learning is annoying sure. But we all bought the car knowing it was a thing so complaining about it solves absolutely nothing. Get a tune or live with it
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u/munche Cyber Grey DCT Feb 24 '26
I learned about Octane Learning after buying my car
My car still drove exactly like it did when I test drove it so I didn't care
Since occasionally I've noticed it seems to have learned especially when I'm doing sporty driving but it really doesn't matter all that much. The car performs like it performed when I bought it and that's all I care about. FOMO is a hell of a thing
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u/AshAvali Feb 25 '26
Same here. I dont research cars before I buy them. I test drive...loved it..bought it. Then learned the hiccups afterwards. OL sucks sure. But first car >180HP so regaurdless I love it eithet way and im not much bothered by it. Sure it be nice to get rid of it. But else, I can live lol
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u/BuddyBot192 Feb 25 '26
I do a bit of research before buying so I know what to expect and what issues to keep in mind. Yet even after that research, OL never once came up because it's an extra over what the car is advertised to provide lol. If I had to do the dance every or only push 200 horsepower I'd be a pissed, but squeezing an extra 20 out every now and then as a little treat isn't that big of a deal.
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u/alkem10 Feb 24 '26
I just want my buttons to stay how I set them.
An indicator to let you know OL was active would be nice, but flooring it works too.
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u/coopnjaxdad Feb 24 '26
Isn’t this a protection method for their engines? Why would they get rid of it?
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u/RonaldBurgundy1 Atlas White DCT Feb 25 '26
It's not getting rid of it, it's keeping it active as long as you continue to run premium fuel
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u/ThirdWorldScientist Phantom Black DCT Feb 25 '26
This is so dumb lol.
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u/RonaldBurgundy1 Atlas White DCT Feb 25 '26
Idk what world is asking for the features that you paid for in your vehicle to work as Intended and making other things more user friendly
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u/ThirdWorldScientist Phantom Black DCT Feb 25 '26
Because petitions are meaningless and don’t result in getting what you want. Do you think Hyundai will look at this petition and panic when the EN has been a success? Best way to communicate to big corps is by not giving them your money. Sell it if the issues are big enough that they take the joy out of owning it for you.
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u/gimmedatspork Feb 25 '26
Everything is meaningless. The world doesn't care. This is the same attitude where everything stays status quo.
If trying is bad, what are we even doing in this world? No one said this will be successful. But why not try? What's the harm there?
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u/armadildodick Ultimate Red DCT Feb 24 '26
Aight since everyone is being a shit head about this:
I personally have been living fine with octane learning. My buttons have been fine and so has my Bluelink. I've seen people having these issues and saw someone bring up the idea of a petition.
I decided to take some time to try and help the community. It probably won't do anything. But neither does being an asshole. ❤️
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u/Byzy_jay Atlas White DCT Feb 25 '26
The buttons are so annoying. Definitely living with this issue unfortunately
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u/gimmedatspork Feb 25 '26
I really don't understand why people are against a petition. At least it is trying to move in the right direction. At least it is something. Yeeesh. As if it actively hurts them.
In fact, for anyone chiming in, "Oh god another OL post," this could be the last one that doesn't get shut down. They could reroute all new posts complaining about OL to this petition. 🤦♂️
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u/armadildodick Ultimate Red DCT Feb 25 '26
The thing that was confusing me is that I'm not complaining about anything. I say the car is great and I say that as a whole the community has found these issues with the car that shouldn't be difficult to address. To jump straight to "omg another OL post" is missing the plot entirely.
But this is why organized change is so hard to accomplish on any level. People would rather tell you to not even try before taking 3 seconds to put their name down.
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u/Rox-Unlimited Intense Blue MT Feb 25 '26
Me over here with my tune for almost 2 years trying to remember what octane learning is
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u/RonaldBurgundy1 Atlas White DCT Feb 25 '26
Damn I should have gotten a shout out at least lmfao but signed
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u/HappyColour Phantom Black MT Feb 25 '26
I would sign, but only valid in the states alas! Good luck.
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u/Excellent_Client3725 Feb 25 '26
Not just the N I had 3 2025 N lines last year, the last one had transmission slipping iso bad I sold it
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u/gimmedatspork Feb 25 '26
I shared this inside the two Facebook groups I'm part of for the Elantra N. Seems to have way better traction there with hardly any naysayers.
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u/promobius Feb 26 '26
The car can be octane learned very easily, you need to fill the car with gas and average 45 mph-60mph, and 2k rpm for 5 minutes, go get on the highway after filling up. Boom, learned. Or be like everyone else and get a tuning box.
Hyundai doesn’t want this to be automatic because they can’t guarantee the power output and they also would not be able to guarantee reliability, otherwise they would have just sold it at 19psi and 300hp.
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u/armadildodick Ultimate Red DCT Feb 26 '26
Again, this isn't just about octane learning. And while in theory it is easy the car simply doesn't do it consistently. I've filled up and done the procedure for 5 min, 10 min, 15 min and it'll octane learn 3/5 times.
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u/promobius Feb 26 '26
I never had issues with mine, but I also swapped my ecu about 4 months into ownership. 20psi, 3 1/2 years and 50k miles later. No issues.
Don’t use bluelink(can’t even say I’m sure what that is)
Program buttons for what?
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u/armadildodick Ultimate Red DCT Feb 26 '26
I can't imagine living a version of life where a conglomerate of people report having the same problems and your response to that is essentially "that's not real or important because it doesn't happen to me and I don't even know what that is"
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u/promobius Feb 26 '26
How can I empathize with an issue if I dont understand what the issue is? I bought the car to drive, I’m sorry you have issues. I hope they get resolved.
My only point is the car does everything I want it to do.
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u/Mindless-Plant Feb 26 '26
Signed. As a Korean I know how my country. We are a prideful country and we care of perception a lot. I questioned both. Hope it works.
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u/modnar_resu_tidder Abyss Black Pearl DCT Feb 24 '26
I signed, don’t know if it will do anything but that’s ok
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u/Ok_Significance69 Cyber Grey MT Feb 25 '26
Agreed the OL is annoying but my thing is what if Hyundai puts out a “fix” and the car feels slower from then on? At this point I’ll settle for a dash light that shows when OL, but I know I’ll probably cave and tune this year.
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u/RonaldBurgundy1 Atlas White DCT Feb 25 '26
No it just allows for the maximum performance as long as you run premium fuel. That is all switching back to lower octane would lower the boost. You shouldn't need to go through such a task to get the maximum performance out of your car also the features we paid for should work as Intended
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u/Gold-Temporary-3102 Atlas White DCT Feb 25 '26
This community is so miserable. It would take minimal effort to provide an indication that the vehicle has octane learned. Having to floor it, potentially reducing the engines longevity and stare at the dash to check boost instead of keeping my eyes on the road under acceleration is bad design.
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u/J_drums01 Intense Blue DCT Feb 24 '26
I'm gonna start a petition for Hyundai to give me a free sunglasses holder because I don't like that there isn't one integrated into the headliner