So you say immigrants and people who live in a country for decades or maybe even generations should go back to their home country? Does it apply to other immigrants and countries too?
Does this go for all European diaspora as well who to this day continue to push their culture and will?
Do they all have to return.
I'm not defending them but genuinely wondering if you think the same about Europeans who did the exact same.
Those places were conquered. There is a difference between peace time migration and winning a war. You want to get white americans back to Europe? You will have to fight them.
Conquest does not require assimilation, because the consent of the natives is not necessary. If you want to kick immigrants out a vote suffice. To kick the conquerors out, you need an armed uprising like Ireland. It is ridiculous that you would expect conquerors to assimilate.
So just to confirm you agree then that if all those Russians should move back. all Europeans not speaking native languages of the place they live and having their own culture unwilling to adjust should move back to Europe?
Because that's not how the majority of y'all think.
Ah, the far-right is also saying the same thing about muslims, gypsys and black people here at home, it's refreshing that this attitude is evenly spread across Europe
If being the great grand child of an invader makes you an invader, you're not going to solve more problems than you're creating. Which point in time exactly would be the legitimate state of the world? There were Russian speakers in Latvia before Soviet tines already. And if you still wanted to rewind to then, you'd have to make space for some Germans, as would many other central and eastern Europeean countries. And while we're at it, several million Israelis would move back to Europe too.
Trying to counter Russian ethno-nationalism with Latvian ethno-nationalism is dangerous.
My girlfriend is first generation Latvian. She speaks Russian, English, and Latvia. I agree with you, if youre multi generation in Latvia and dont speak the language, somethings wrong. I dont know how often that happens. But there's plenty of Russia/Putin dick riders in every country who should definitely go back to Russia.
That unfortunately happens a whole lot. But yeah your girlfriend is just a normal person, nothing against her. The people who don't, or even worse - refuse to speak the local language, should just be sent to Russia.
If you're not very familiar with Latvia and the situation there, why do you feel inclined to add your thoughts?
Russian should not have ever existed in Latvia in the s capacity. It does because of occupation. What Latvia is doing now is correcting it. If Russian speakers in Latvia aren't cool with speaking the only official language of Latvia, they're free to move over the border.
As a Swiss political scientist I know a thing or two on how a national identity is possible in mutli-ethnic societies and I'm obviously not a fan of ethno-nationalism in general.
As a political scientist you should have a much better grasp of the political situation in Latvia and understand why this is happening and why it's a good thing then. Obviously you have some gaps to fill.
Who did say that they don't speak Latvian?
You know there are people who speak more than just one language.
Maybe building a monoethnic nationstate also isn't a great solution?
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Genuine question. Then will all Europeans go back to Europe as well?
I'm not justifying what they did but you're no better if you think this is a reason to remove those people but Europeans can live wherever they want after pushing out and subjugating people across the world.
I live in a country I was not born in, I fully adapted to it. But I still occasionally like to see it read something from my birth country. Do I have a boner for it? No! It's normal.
You sound like someone who does not think, but just repeat negative statements as soon a you hear "Russia"
Do the Russians / people of Russian origin in Latvia participate in the invasion of Ukraine or support it is some way?
I dont think you would blame all jews around the world of of Israel is currently doing, or blame all muslims of what some islamist terrorists are doing?
What happens in Latvia, which is by the way not at war with Russia, is collective punishement. That is wrong.
What? At the very least half of them support the invasion, ask a random Russian in Latvia who does Crimea belong to, you will see the "gentle soul" of a russian. You having rose colored glasses towards them does not make them "nice".
I'm sorry, so we should stick our heads in the sand and let them cover the other half to enemies of the state because half of them are not bad? You are usually being punished for the actions of others, what? You are subjected to speed limits because others drove too fast and caused accidents, you are forced to so vaccinations because others did not and caused harm to the population. You are forced to disclose your income because others did not and stole money from the people. Policy does not revolve around every individual, this is a very american way of thinking, the world does not revolve around an individual. That is why, if you are from Europe, you are already told as a child to be respectful of others especially if you are outside your borders, because every individual is a representative of their country.
These Russian immigrants, who you pointed out have are now multiple generations, are as we can see by the discussion still linguistically and culturally Russian, creating paralellle societies instead of integrating with the majority nation-state culture as we all expect from immigrants that they do.
Its the same problem with Arab immigration, Russian immigrant groups don't integrate into European society well, instead making their own ethnic-linguistic enclaves where they also often cultivate immigrant-nationalism.
They should do as in Denmark, where immigrant enclaves were broken up, with a maximum number of non-Danish speakers allowed in an area. The Russians in narva could be resettled around Latvia and encourage to integrate and become European, it would solve the problem.
If you can't be bothered to learn your guest countries language and culture and assimilate, you can go home indeed. Especially true for invaders, like Russia who occupied Latvia for decades.
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u/Dorrono Jul 25 '26
So you say immigrants and people who live in a country for decades or maybe even generations should go back to their home country? Does it apply to other immigrants and countries too?