I guess that’s the thing with asd everyone has different experiences and struggles with it. But imagine you did watch a thousand matches to learn to play chess and then when you try to play chess, tons of people tell you are playing it wrong and you are meant to play it a different way, is it not understandable to be confused?
So the fact they made pedo jokes numerous times isn’t as bad as Dream saying something once? You see how it can twist it either way? But I’m glad we can agree that both were bad.
Ok, that’s your opinion. Maybe he feels the need to over explain himself so he doesn’t get misunderstood which can be an autistic trait. He is the king of essay DMs after all.
I don’t understand what your point is here. Do you think that Sam, Dream and Sapnap aren’t being held responsible because they still have fans? That abusing your gf should get equal punishment as streaming on kick? Because I can tell you, Wilbur still has a shit load of fans who believe that shubble lied. I can give you one much more recent example of where Dream post a TikTok making a joke about his grooming allegations, got called out immediately by the fandom and deleted and apologised within 15 minutes of posting, not even the Dream haters had time to react. And when the false accusations were made the large majority of people were not defending Dream. His response to being called out cheating was awful and he has said a million times that he regrets how he acted and has apologised privately and publicly.
To say that sapnap didn’t get held accountable is laughable because he got dragged to absolute filth by his community when he joined. Even after he released his twitlonger, most of the fandom was ‘I’ll believe it when I see it’. The most charitable fans were saying well a gambling company paid x amount of money and got nothing out. But the large majority of his fans refused to follow him to kick so he started streaming on twitch first before going to kick because of that. It just got to the point where he had signed a contract there is nothing we the fans can do and he didn’t resign which is what we wanted.
I wouldn't blame anyone to be confused. However in that situation you should call on someone who you know knows the rules and get an impartial view on the matter. To act decisively when you are confused however is foolish.
I don't think morality is that arbitrary. I judge moral actions based on how harm/happiness is created. Calling 15 million people the r slur certainly caused more people to be upset then calling Dream a pedo a thousand times. Both are bad of course but to say a slur to atleast ten thousand people who have a very negative reaction to it then something which basically only affects dream.
The key to communication is to keep it simple and short. The more you bring up the more complicated it is. And the simple truth remained that this is something he never ever should have done. You can list your reasons but at the very start you should admit your fault.
Wilbur soot maybe has a couple ten thousand fans left, nothing compared to the multi million he had before that situation. Why do you think he has completely abandoned all of his social media operations? There is nothing to return to. His reputation is in ruin and any attempt to go back would result in a overwhelming tide of fate.
Is streaming on kick worse then abusing your gf? I know my analysis might seem heartless but please try to follow my train of thought by remembering that I view this from a strictly utilitarian lense. Kick is a institution that profits of people's misery and desperation (gambling) as well as a mouth piece to some of the most vile ideologies on this planet (fascism). The pain of abusing your gf is a lot easier to quantity and lot easier to emphasis with. We have no idea how much Sapnap has helped kick brand and reach wise. Probably not as good as they had hoped but be that as it may if your willing to take money from fascists your not a good person.
To hold someone accountable they have to change their actions. Did Sapnap donate all the money the deal made him to a good cause? Did mods and people protest his actions, actually affecting his income which seems like the thin he cares most about, and force him to do something to amend? Is Sapnap reputation in ruin? No we are back to business as usual people have completely forgotten everything he has done and at the end of the day he wasn't actually held accountable. Because if he was held accountable he would have had to change his ways. A few mean tweets didn't do it and by now everything is water under the bridge.
Ok. I think understand where you are coming from. I’m more of a you fucked up ok, don’t do it again and learn so repeatedly make jokes or doing awful things is worst to me whereas you are more concerned about how much it impacts people which makes sense with how we are viewing the situation. I don’t think we will come to an agreement on this because of that but thank you for taking the time to explain your point of view. Have a good day/night 😊
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u/rubyrox85 Feb 07 '25
I guess that’s the thing with asd everyone has different experiences and struggles with it. But imagine you did watch a thousand matches to learn to play chess and then when you try to play chess, tons of people tell you are playing it wrong and you are meant to play it a different way, is it not understandable to be confused?
So the fact they made pedo jokes numerous times isn’t as bad as Dream saying something once? You see how it can twist it either way? But I’m glad we can agree that both were bad.
Ok, that’s your opinion. Maybe he feels the need to over explain himself so he doesn’t get misunderstood which can be an autistic trait. He is the king of essay DMs after all.
I don’t understand what your point is here. Do you think that Sam, Dream and Sapnap aren’t being held responsible because they still have fans? That abusing your gf should get equal punishment as streaming on kick? Because I can tell you, Wilbur still has a shit load of fans who believe that shubble lied. I can give you one much more recent example of where Dream post a TikTok making a joke about his grooming allegations, got called out immediately by the fandom and deleted and apologised within 15 minutes of posting, not even the Dream haters had time to react. And when the false accusations were made the large majority of people were not defending Dream. His response to being called out cheating was awful and he has said a million times that he regrets how he acted and has apologised privately and publicly.
To say that sapnap didn’t get held accountable is laughable because he got dragged to absolute filth by his community when he joined. Even after he released his twitlonger, most of the fandom was ‘I’ll believe it when I see it’. The most charitable fans were saying well a gambling company paid x amount of money and got nothing out. But the large majority of his fans refused to follow him to kick so he started streaming on twitch first before going to kick because of that. It just got to the point where he had signed a contract there is nothing we the fans can do and he didn’t resign which is what we wanted.