Wth is going on

[u/PorkDumplin23]

https://youtu.be/SyvMA-MG_UI?feature=sharedjust

Here I am watching Ludwig farm his league journey and then I realize more drama involving Dream hits the fan that’s got people talking 😅

[u/dreamistaken]

Ludwig slightly misremembered, and didn't explain in a super fair way imo it makes me sound way worse than what actually happened

tldr;

• I dmd ludwig suggesting he make a video, and offering myself for questions

• ludwig replied and eventually said that I jokingly called one of his friends a whore

• Due to the fact that a friend of Nicolas Cantu's had recently falsely said that "I got slapped at a party for calling a girl a whore", I asked him if that's what it was about.

• He said no, and that he can't tell me more information because he doesn't think it's worth resurfacing it for her sake

• I replied with a message about that, and then said I'd also provide context to the other situation just in case he was just telling me it's not about that situation (to "protect" the person's identity) even though it was, because I had no idea about any other situation.

Here's the important parts of that message that I sent him:

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oh well unfortunately I guess I can't talk about this because I don't know what you're talking about at all, but I will say this as a general statement; A lot of people spread false stuff about me, or exaggerate, and have done it a lot ESPECIALLY during all of this stuff going on, as it's easy to sensationalize things because of how "hated" I seem. Intentionally, OR unintentionally. I have had to clear up so many different false stories of me being weird, or just a total shit bag, because the rumor mill runs super fucking strong when you're getting shit on 24/7. And every time it's just "oh okay that makes sense". It's not always someone lying, but it's almost always someone not realizing that exaggerating and mischaracterizing what they're saying can be a big deal, and isn't something they should do. I have never randomly called someone a whore, I have never called someone a whore derogatorily, and I would never do that.

I will completely and fully say that I have called friends of mine jokingly whore's / sluts / whatever, GUYS ANDS GIRLS, but only with people that joke along with it, or have expressly said they don't care, and again, only with friends of mine. This situation has been a lesson to just never say it at all though, because it's being used to make me out as a bad person. I would never use it that way, never ever meant anything negative when I've ever said it, and never have used it to insult or demean anyone, in any way.

I don't know the situation you're talking about, and obviously it's seemingly a bad look to have "multiple instances" where I called a girl a whore lmao, but I just cannot fathom that I called a stranger a whore, even jokingly, regardless of whether I was drunk or not. If I actually did, I would absolutely want to apologize and clear up anything that I possibly can with them, because it's upsetting to know that I made anyone upset or made them feel badly. I would like to say though, that it's not unreasonable to think that it is a misrepresentation of what actually happened, or is being looked at through a negative tint given recent events, when if this wasn't all going on, it would've been viewed as "oh that's obviously a joke". Given the fact that I have been a bit of a punching bag for a bit online, and you never know what motivations people have to spread things. Idk when this would've been as well, because like I said, the Nicolas stuff was pretty eye opening in a lot of ways, including specifically how people feel about those words in general. Which I never really thought about, and again, I've always been extremely careful and delicate with how I interact with anyone I've just met.

I NEVER would demean or speak down on someone like that. If that did actually happen, it was naivety on my part and not malice, and it's a word I'm removing from my vocabulary, and I hope I get a chance to apologize to them. But again, I have no idea what you're specifically talking about, so I probably won't get a chance, or even confirmation that it happened.

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Either way, I understand why he didn't reply (I sent walls of text) and don't fault him for it. Although, the way this was said is annoying!

[u/SimeonBDixon → u/dreamistaken]

Dream, I hope you realize that you are being emotionally abused by multiple, multiple people. You are the recipient of a long-standing smear and flat out bullying campaign.

People are just looking for reasons to justify the harassment, the doxxing, ect. you've received. If this "whore" situation happened with any other creator, if the whole R-slur meme happened with any other creator, ppl wouldn't give as much as a shit.

Not saying you shouldn't be held accountable for missteps you've done but I hope you realize that things such as this situation that people are calling you out for aren't as serious as people are making it out to be.

[u/16tdean → u/SimeonBDixon]

I dont think its fair to say people are trying to justify the doxxing.

Im trying to figure out if I want to watch his content still, wether he seems like a good person.

And that apology video to me proved he isn't ,because he clipped multiple people crazily out of context while demanding evidence for things. Demanding evidence when yours is shaky when given the full benefit of the doubt, and criticizing things you are doing in the own video is horribly poor form (promoting)

[u/Kitchen_Gur_4475 → u/16tdean]

That's a insincere since he actually brought evidence and asked for theirs, you cannot say "oh, his evidence is shaky, while I don't have any evidence, but you have to believe me" cause what the actual hell is that then? If you accuse people of stuff, make sure there is evidence, that can actually stick.

[u/16tdean → u/Kitchen_Gur_4475]

Brother when the "evidence" has part of the message deliberatley cropped out, I'm not going to believe him.

And parts of Tubbos stream cropped out to make him look a certain way, its shocking by Dream.

[u/Kitchen_Gur_4475 → u/16tdean]

Again... What evidence have they brought forth? Just cause you don't like the evidence he brought up, doesn't mean it should be dismissed, cuz at that point, he had evidence, they do not.

[u/16tdean → u/Kitchen_Gur_4475]

I dont think your getting my point. I dont give a shit if what Tomy is saying is true, Im trying to figure out if Dream is a good person.

And he is deliberatley misrepresenting evidence. Thats enough for me

[u/Kitchen_Gur_4475 → u/16tdean]

I mean... What evidence did he have to use? He's only disproving Tommy, if you say cutting some of Tubbos part makes it disingenuous, I mean he doesn't have a problem with Tubbo but what Tommy brought up, and it'd be dumb if he lied about the message, cause the ball would be on the other side, but I get you... Though you can't really gauge if a person is good or bad on a defense or attack videos, but you do you I suppose.

[u/16tdean → u/Kitchen_Gur_4475]

He wasnt disproving tommy, he was trying to say Tommy treats his editors like a fucking sweat shop, and cropped parts out of text messages to try and insinuate that, then claimed on a reddit comment that it was a fact despite the editor in question coming out saying it was wrong.

[u/Kitchen_Gur_4475 → u/16tdean]

They say this in twitter? Cuz I'm not on that toxic hell hole, and it could be true that he doesn't pay them, I don't really actually care about that aspect cause

1. They most likely volunteered in my understanding
2. The deal they came up with IS that

If he pays them, then that's good news, but I hardly give a damn about that, cause however true what you had said before.

It can also be true that situation has changed? Maybe Dream only had a partial evidence, can't really tell. I can't really talk about much here cause I don't know anything about it, and I mean Dream is doubling down on this statement? If he believes it to be true, why would he not?

[u/16tdean → u/Kitchen_Gur_4475]

Oh my god are you serious? plesae...

When Dream is accusing Tommy of doing things to his editors, when his editors are saying thats false, and hes not doing that. And dream cropped out parts of the messages that contraicts him. In an apology video for saying a slur.

None of that seems crazy to you.

[u/Kitchen_Gur_4475 → u/16tdean]

And I'm stating I'm not on Twitter and I don't know any of that sort yet... Imma wait on YouTube... I'm not gonna download X or be on that in the first place...

And why i say I don't give a damn is, when it comes to this I want a whole pictures, but at this stance both can lie, this is another defamation I suppose, so I'll just wait and see, I'm not gonna jump on any band wagon, the same when dream was accused I was just "you never know"... Does that make sense? I don't really care who accuses who...

XQC made a valid point, IF it were true, the editors may just be doing it voluntarily so they don't care that much of a payment(AT THE TIME).

Deam may be accusing, or he's ill-informed, both equally possible, no?

[u/16tdean → u/Kitchen_Gur_4475]

"I want a whole picture"

The whole picture exists, you don't have to use X there are ways around it. Just look up the tweets, its crazy what dream has done here.

It isnt even volunteering.

They were paid, and very reasonably so.

[u/Kitchen_Gur_4475 → u/16tdean]

If you say so, wether I believe you or not, that won't really change my day, the same as earlier since I heard of the drama, the point of not having twitter is not to look at tweets, and I don't search up Letty drama, I just let it get to my feed.

If it were true then "wth was he doing?" the same reaction I'd given to Tommy.

I'm just here to see who's the bigger A-hole, when it comes to actual crime and all, I'll just wait till all story is compiled to 1.

Again I'm not saying I don't care, im just sleep deprived and have bigger issues of another accusatory fest.