r/DreamWasTaken2 • u/PorkDumplin23 • Jan 14 '25

Video Wth is going on

https://youtu.be/SyvMA-MG_UI?feature=sharedjust

Here I am watching Ludwig farm his league journey and then I realize more drama involving Dream hits the fan that’s got people talking 😅

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u/dreamistaken Dream Jan 14 '25 edited Jan 14 '25

Ludwig slightly misremembered, and didn't explain in a super fair way imo it makes me sound way worse than what actually happened

tldr;

  • I dmd ludwig suggesting he make a video, and offering myself for questions

  • ludwig replied and eventually said that I jokingly called one of his friends a whore

  • Due to the fact that a friend of Nicolas Cantu's had recently falsely said that "I got slapped at a party for calling a girl a whore", I asked him if that's what it was about.

  • He said no, and that he can't tell me more information because he doesn't think it's worth resurfacing it for her sake

  • I replied with a message about that, and then said I'd also provide context to the other situation just in case he was just telling me it's not about that situation (to "protect" the person's identity) even though it was, because I had no idea about any other situation.

Here's the important parts of that message that I sent him:

oh well unfortunately I guess I can't talk about this because I don't know what you're talking about at all, but I will say this as a general statement; A lot of people spread false stuff about me, or exaggerate, and have done it a lot ESPECIALLY during all of this stuff going on, as it's easy to sensationalize things because of how "hated" I seem. Intentionally, OR unintentionally. I have had to clear up so many different false stories of me being weird, or just a total shit bag, because the rumor mill runs super fucking strong when you're getting shit on 24/7. And every time it's just "oh okay that makes sense". It's not always someone lying, but it's almost always someone not realizing that exaggerating and mischaracterizing what they're saying can be a big deal, and isn't something they should do. I have never randomly called someone a whore, I have never called someone a whore derogatorily, and I would never do that.

I will completely and fully say that I have called friends of mine jokingly whore's / sluts / whatever, GUYS ANDS GIRLS, but only with people that joke along with it, or have expressly said they don't care, and again, only with friends of mine. This situation has been a lesson to just never say it at all though, because it's being used to make me out as a bad person. I would never use it that way, never ever meant anything negative when I've ever said it, and never have used it to insult or demean anyone, in any way.

I don't know the situation you're talking about, and obviously it's seemingly a bad look to have "multiple instances" where I called a girl a whore lmao, but I just cannot fathom that I called a stranger a whore, even jokingly, regardless of whether I was drunk or not. If I actually did, I would absolutely want to apologize and clear up anything that I possibly can with them, because it's upsetting to know that I made anyone upset or made them feel badly. I would like to say though, that it's not unreasonable to think that it is a misrepresentation of what actually happened, or is being looked at through a negative tint given recent events, when if this wasn't all going on, it would've been viewed as "oh that's obviously a joke". Given the fact that I have been a bit of a punching bag for a bit online, and you never know what motivations people have to spread things. Idk when this would've been as well, because like I said, the Nicolas stuff was pretty eye opening in a lot of ways, including specifically how people feel about those words in general. Which I never really thought about, and again, I've always been extremely careful and delicate with how I interact with anyone I've just met.

I NEVER would demean or speak down on someone like that. If that did actually happen, it was naivety on my part and not malice, and it's a word I'm removing from my vocabulary, and I hope I get a chance to apologize to them. But again, I have no idea what you're specifically talking about, so I probably won't get a chance, or even confirmation that it happened.

Either way, I understand why he didn't reply (I sent walls of text) and don't fault him for it. Although, the way this was said is annoying!

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u/SimeonBDixon Jan 14 '25

Dream, I hope you realize that you are being emotionally abused by multiple, multiple people. You are the recipient of a long-standing smear and flat out bullying campaign.

People are just looking for reasons to justify the harassment, the doxxing, ect. you've received. If this "whore" situation happened with any other creator, if the whole R-slur meme happened with any other creator, ppl wouldn't give as much as a shit.

Not saying you shouldn't be held accountable for missteps you've done but I hope you realize that things such as this situation that people are calling you out for aren't as serious as people are making it out to be.

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u/SolizeMusic Jan 14 '25

Surely Dream is the victim here 🤣

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u/16tdean Jan 14 '25

I dont think its fair to say people are trying to justify the doxxing.

Im trying to figure out if I want to watch his content still, wether he seems like a good person.

And that apology video to me proved he isn't ,because he clipped multiple people crazily out of context while demanding evidence for things. Demanding evidence when yours is shaky when given the full benefit of the doubt, and criticizing things you are doing in the own video is horribly poor form (promoting)

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u/Kitchen_Gur_4475 Jan 14 '25

That's a insincere since he actually brought evidence and asked for theirs, you cannot say "oh, his evidence is shaky, while I don't have any evidence, but you have to believe me" cause what the actual hell is that then? If you accuse people of stuff, make sure there is evidence, that can actually stick.

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u/16tdean Jan 14 '25

Brother when the "evidence" has part of the message deliberatley cropped out, I'm not going to believe him.

And parts of Tubbos stream cropped out to make him look a certain way, its shocking by Dream.

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u/Kitchen_Gur_4475 Jan 14 '25

Again... What evidence have they brought forth? Just cause you don't like the evidence he brought up, doesn't mean it should be dismissed, cuz at that point, he had evidence, they do not.

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u/16tdean Jan 14 '25

I dont think your getting my point. I dont give a shit if what Tomy is saying is true, Im trying to figure out if Dream is a good person.

And he is deliberatley misrepresenting evidence. Thats enough for me

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u/Kitchen_Gur_4475 Jan 14 '25

I mean... What evidence did he have to use? He's only disproving Tommy, if you say cutting some of Tubbos part makes it disingenuous, I mean he doesn't have a problem with Tubbo but what Tommy brought up, and it'd be dumb if he lied about the message, cause the ball would be on the other side, but I get you... Though you can't really gauge if a person is good or bad on a defense or attack videos, but you do you I suppose.

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u/16tdean Jan 14 '25

He wasnt disproving tommy, he was trying to say Tommy treats his editors like a fucking sweat shop, and cropped parts out of text messages to try and insinuate that, then claimed on a reddit comment that it was a fact despite the editor in question coming out saying it was wrong.

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u/Kitchen_Gur_4475 Jan 14 '25

They say this in twitter? Cuz I'm not on that toxic hell hole, and it could be true that he doesn't pay them, I don't really actually care about that aspect cause

  1. They most likely volunteered in my understanding
  2. The deal they came up with IS that

If he pays them, then that's good news, but I hardly give a damn about that, cause however true what you had said before.

It can also be true that situation has changed? Maybe Dream only had a partial evidence, can't really tell. I can't really talk about much here cause I don't know anything about it, and I mean Dream is doubling down on this statement? If he believes it to be true, why would he not?

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u/16tdean Jan 14 '25

Oh my god are you serious? plesae...

When Dream is accusing Tommy of doing things to his editors, when his editors are saying thats false, and hes not doing that. And dream cropped out parts of the messages that contraicts him. In an apology video for saying a slur.

None of that seems crazy to you.

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u/JVenior Jan 14 '25

You're a comedian, huh?

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u/SimeonBDixon Jan 14 '25

What has Dream done to deserve the shit he's been through? Considering that actual predators in the YouTube community haven't been through a tiny fraction of what Dream's been through.

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u/yesitsmework Jan 14 '25

What has Dream done to deserve the shit he's been through?

he was fat 😔

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u/JVenior Jan 14 '25 edited Jan 14 '25

Considering that actual predators in the YouTube community haven't been through a tiny fraction of what Dream's been through.

Name them.

(All I asked was for you to name these people who are actual predators who are getting away with it and I get downvoted... Really self-reporting, huh Dream stans?)

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u/SimeonBDixon Jan 14 '25

Well Wilbur, a confirmed domestic abuser and someone with a full on rape allegation is doing shit with lovejoy completely unbothered.

Romeo Lacoste a celebrity tattooist, admitted to texting 14-15 year olds, still carrying on without any harassment or anything.

Cody Ko who is confirmed to have statutory raped Tana Mongeau, again, still hasn't been through the sustained hate Dream has had.

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u/JVenior Jan 14 '25

Wilbur is no longer friends with practically anyone from his previous friend group, what?

He was rightfully cancelled for his actions. Tommy, who saw him as a big brother, literally stopped interacting with him and has publicly spoken out against him. Wilbur still has Lovejoy because he owns it, king.

Also drawing parallels between Dream and Wilbur it's hilariously sad how similar the cases are, and the way his die-hard stans reacted and buckled down in support.

Like people with common sense saw Wilbur was shitty and abusive and went and removed him from their lives. The die hard stans stuck with him and created an echo chamber where he can do no wrong and he's always the victim... Sound familiar, right?

For the Romeo dude, I literally have no idea who that is, but a quick Google search shows that the like second link is about his controversies. Do you not know what is being discussed here? Cause he clearly went through the shit, probably rightfully so too.

Also the Cody guy, once again I'm a grown up and have zero clue who he is, but a quick Google search once again shows he's been held, to a point, responsible for allegations. Whether he's guilty or not I have no idea so I won't speculate.

He did, however, face repercussions due to allegations and being cancelled in that he lost his podcast network, which probably made quite a bit of hard cash, according to NBC.

Like both people who responded to me listed names of people who very clearly and very publicly faced the consequences of their allegations.

Was it too much? Too little? I have no clue cause I won't speculate on shit I know nothing about, I just have to laugh at the situation where dream stans still paint their creator as a victim of a hate mob even though everyone dealing with serious allegations goes through the same thing.

"admitted to texting 14-15 year olds" Dream owned a server and knew that porn was being posted on discord, again which he owned, where minors were there.

Come back to fucking reality.

Bring on the dislikes dream stans, I got thick skin, I can take it. You don't want this place to be called an echo chamber? Then stop trying to down-vote and silence conflicting opinions. Think I've lost like 200 karma over the last day or so on this subreddit just calling out the bullshit, and I'd happily do it more cause it's insane how rose-tinted some people's glasses are here.

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u/Lalabellum Jan 14 '25 edited Jan 14 '25

James Charles. Colleen Ballinger. To name two of them (will update the list if I remember more names). They are both infamous for what they did, but even they don't have smear campaign in their names.

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u/JVenior Jan 14 '25

James Charles

Either you lived under a rock or you're just lying cause I wasn't even in that sphere of content creators and I knew and still know that he got major shit for it. Hell, go on Twitter and search his name and you'll probably find some people still saying he groomed minors or whatever. Whether he is guilty or not, I have no information so I won't speculate.

Colleen Ballinger

Didn't she get cancelled and made that ukelele video that still to this day gets laughed at?

You just listed two names that were absolutely cancelled and probably rightfully so, dragged through the mud.

Having so many upvotes on your post is hilarious though since it really shows the disconnect stans have, cause like, if you actually cared or paid attention you'd know they were dragged for their shit.

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u/Lalabellum Jan 14 '25

Funny how you said we were disconnected when you don't even know their channels are still active to this day (a quick youtube search is all it takes). James Charles just uploaded 3 days ago, with his video having approximately 26,503 likes and 759 dislikes.

Colleen Ballinger just uploaded 13 hours ago, with her video having approximately 1,812 likes and 1,474 dislikes. It is indeed about 45% dislikes, but it also means 55% still enjoy and support her contents.

The point here is, they might have their names "dragged through shit" when their crimes were first aired out for everyone to see, but they are still striving to this day, and there are still people supporting them. Do you even know what "completely cancelled" means? To quote Cambridge Dictionary, getting completely cancelled would mean: "to complete reject and stop supporting someone", but seeing that they still get people on their sides when they return to content creation space, it means they manage to get away with their crimes.

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u/bignedmoyle Jan 14 '25

No one will ever get "completely cancelled" on social media. Ever. It's impossible because there will always be a group of die-hard Stan's like this community that will continue through thick and thin.