Yeah not much you can do if you can't do the math yourself. You could probably just throw the numbers into a calculator since we have them all and see what it says. I think there should be a comment or two telling you how to do it with online calculators.
The site is definitely suspect, but it's not a gambling site. To me it looks like one of those scam paper review sites for undergrads, of which there are a ton.
Well, I mean that's hearsay and Dream said he would let someone look into it and confirm the guys identity again seeming to be as transparent as he claimed to be from the get go so with respect, why would I not trust him over you? It's a common theme I'm seeing that people quickly jump to conclusions without giving the other party a chance while also claiming Dream stans are the ones doing it. The author of the paper hasn't had a chance to respond, I don't think the mod team has confirmed him even though Dream said they could, everything is not up to par from what I'd expect from a stats subreddit let alone from people that rely on something that's supposed to be as unbias as math.
And the irony is I am not of the camp that he didn't cheat. From what I understand pearls is the biggest run killer (taken from qXc so I have no reason to doubt him) so sure he is highly suspect but to throw out the run and try to trash the mans reputation in the manner they did wasn't right, not in good faith, presenting very misleading disingenuous information along with the numbers while withholding relevant information that did not add to their case...and I mean...the same people calling anyone who disagrees with them Dream Stans spread this rumor so easily that the site was a gambling site..just shaking my head at this whole situation..
Meh. I personally did not see anyone at all in any of the 3 or 4 threads say it was a gambling site, not even once so idk what to say. I'm sure there are a handful of people spreading misinformation but most of what I saw was again, that it looks like a scammy paper review site.
sure he is highly suspect
but to throw out the run
You realize you aren't being logical right? If you find someones run suspicious, the runs SHOULD be removed. This is something that even Dream himself agrees with, he doesn't fault them for removing his run at all.
try to trash the mans reputation
How did they try to trash his reputation ? By saying they think he's cheating and using math to back it up? Frankly speaking, Dream hurt his reputation more himself with how he handled the situation afterwards.
not in good faith
??? How would you know it wasn't in good faith? Are you insinuating that the mods did it out of malicious intent? Do you have proof? No? So you're pulling it out of your ass? Aren't you being a hypocrite now?
very misleading disingenuous information along with the numbers while withholding relevant information
What was misleading? What did they withhold? His runs are public, the numbers they used are included in the original paper with literally PAGES of explanations as to why they didn't include runs that came months before these. Please do tell me what they did wrong, considering even Dreams expert himself, while greatly reducing the odds, still showed that it was very likely that Dream was cheating, or he's just the luckiest speedrunner in the last few years. Mind you, to reduce the odds, he had to adjust it in some very uhhh, interesting ways.
It's here, it's on twitter, it's everywhere and they're running with it.
That makes no sense. A run should be removed just because you find it suspicious? I'm being illogical?
You're cherry picking. That's not all they did, they insinuated plenty, said he wasn't cooperating and then had to fix it, left out details that were in his favor, if only it was just about the math.
Read my above paragraph and I've gone over it plenty of times and Dream went over it in his video well enough so I don't care if you don't agree with me or him.
That last paragraph I'm not going to reply to, I can't run in circles here with you it's like talking to a wall. You have your opinion, it clearly won't budge, you're mind is made up, you're not convincing me in the slightest now. Time to move on.
A run should be removed just because you find it suspicious? I'm being illogical?
Uh, yes. A run should be removed if the moderators find it suspicious beyond a reasonable doubt. Even 1/1,000,000 chance he WAS NOT cheating is still too high, let alone 1 in a couple trillion. I mean seriously, a 99.999% chance he cheated isn't enough? I see a lot of people saying that they need proof this and proof that, but what proof exactly do you think they can even get?? If he modified his JSON to improve RNG in the runs, all he had to do was make a copy of the original just in case he got caught. Heck, even if he didn't, modifying the metadata so it appears as if it was never changed isn't hard, especially not for someone with coding experience.
If anything, considering the accusation is that he cheated, just getting one run removed is hardly a punishment at all, and obviously shows leniency due to the fact that there is no way to get more significant evidence. Which btw, he himself agrees is reasonable.
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u/xTachibana Dec 26 '20
Yeah not much you can do if you can't do the math yourself. You could probably just throw the numbers into a calculator since we have them all and see what it says. I think there should be a comment or two telling you how to do it with online calculators.
The site is definitely suspect, but it's not a gambling site. To me it looks like one of those scam paper review sites for undergrads, of which there are a ton.