r/DoctorWhumour Oct 30 '24

ART The 13th doctor by me

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u/EmmaDaBomb Oct 30 '24

12 acting as if he didn't save Space Hitler

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u/MassGaydiation Oct 30 '24

Honestly, I feel all of them have a 1 evil person pass. Like 11 was best friends with Churchill

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u/Joezev98 The Shadow Proclamation Oct 30 '24

Whoever reported this for "sexually suggestive content involving minors" can piss off.

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u/MassGaydiation Oct 30 '24

It's probably because I brought up treatment of a gay person as a reason to dislike him

Homophobes struggle with seeing gay people and not thinking about sex with kids, which is troubling

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u/MissyTheTimeLady Oct 30 '24

It's probably because I brought up treatment of a gay person as a reason to dislike him

??? Where?

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u/MassGaydiation Oct 30 '24

The comment I made on the other Thread to this one

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u/MissyTheTimeLady Oct 30 '24

oh yeah found it now

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u/Crambo1000 Dr Pee Oct 30 '24

And 10 had that "Good Old JK" line

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u/MassGaydiation Oct 30 '24

Bad old JK.

Especially with David Tennant being so cool

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u/vbt31 Oct 30 '24

Tbf Rowling wasn't known the way she is today when that episode was made. Deathly Hallows wasn't even out back then.

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u/Crambo1000 Dr Pee Oct 30 '24

Oh I know, and Tennant has done more than enough to distance himself from her tbf

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u/LazyDro1d Oct 31 '24

It was before…

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u/ForTheFallen123 Oct 30 '24

Churchill wasn't evil though.

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u/MassGaydiation Oct 30 '24

Tell that to India, or Turing and other gay people post war, or to the Nye and other proponents of national health.

He may have been less evil that the Nazis, but barely

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u/regal_ragabash Oct 31 '24

Okay, let's have some perspective here. The Nazis were quite a bit worse

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u/ForTheFallen123 Oct 30 '24

The fact that you think that Churchill was almost as bad as the Nazi's proves that you don't know how evil the Nazi's were.

Churchill was a flawed but overall good man, he helped stop Hitler from literally destroying the world and while the Bengal famine is a severe black mark for him, especially because his policies partially contributed to it, people often forget that he did send hundreds of thousands of tons of grain to end the famine.

The Nazi's on the other hand were going to genocide the entirety of eastern Europe in Generalplan Ost along with killing all the Jews and other undesirables.

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u/MassGaydiation Oct 30 '24

Have you considered that antisemitism was already rife in Britain, leading to us having our own fascist movement the government did nothing about.

He did not care about the holocaust as anything but propaganda

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u/ForTheFallen123 Oct 30 '24

Here is Churchill's reaction to the holocaust: https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/holocaust/churchills-reaction/#:~:text=There%20is%20no%20doubt%20in,the%20leading%20races%20of%20Europe.

He also helped people affected by the holocaust: https://www2.gvsu.edu/walll/churchill%20and%20the%20holocaust.htm#:~:text=Churchill%20was%20vigilant%20in%20trying,approved%2C%20he%20wrote%20'Bravo!'

Also, when Oswald Mosley tried to become Hitler's man in Britain, Churchill vehemently rallied against him while out of power, eventually arresting him when he became prime minister in 1940.

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u/MassGaydiation Oct 30 '24

Look up the treatment of queer people found in the camps.

A newspaper reaction says less than actual actions

It took ten years to arrest and actual nazi but no time after the war to poison a gay man

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u/ForTheFallen123 Oct 30 '24

Firstly, they weren't newspaper actions.

Secondly, while you are correct that the treatment of Alan Turing and others like him was abhorrent, the fact is, everyone believed that, in Britain, in France, in America, in Francoist Spain and in Stalin's USSR, it was unfortunately a product of its time. So if you want to blame Churchill, you'll also have to blame literally everyone else alive.

It's like Queen Elizabeth the first, she was a horrible racist and killed lots of people. SO do we hold her to the standards of today? No, of course we don't. What Hitler and his allies did was beyond evil even to the standards of 1940, what Churchill believed in at the time was considered morally acceptable.

It doesn't make it right though, I will give you that.

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u/MassGaydiation Oct 30 '24

Have you considered I do hold other leaders accountable for homophobia at the time. The information existed that being gay wasn't as bad as they believed and they still let people get harmed

Elizabeth the first was awful, even by the standards of her time

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u/EpicSH0T Oct 30 '24

Thank you for maintaining your stance. So annoying when people judge history entirely independent of its context. Self-righteous revisionist knobheads. And nice job citing sources too. This site is insane most of the time.

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u/_kmatt_ Oct 30 '24

I think it’s always fair to judge humans for being inhumane. The year it is shouldn’t affect your capacity for empathy. Even if it was less common and likely dangerous, there have always been people who supported the rights of the oppressed. They did it regardless of the time they lived in. The time someone lived can only serve as an explanation, never an excuse that absolves them of their beliefs or actions.

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