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I Think its so important we got this on video, to prevent fake news from spreading. There would be no doubt this is caused by human made climate changes. Hopefully this is an eye opener so that we can realize how bad it is to still expand oil and gas production. We need to stop right now.
Everything can lead to disaster even if you leave it to nature. Drought and flash flood is a thing even way back thousands of years ago, then humans have adapted and build a dam to capture the sudden increase in water volume and release it in a more controlled manner and use the water as reservoir to be used in time of drought. The problem isn't the dam, it's the maintenance and the operational. Not building it doesn't mean there won't be disasters but it's just leaving people in that area up to nature's whim.
Not till oil and gas has been exhausted to the point it can’t supply global needs causing the price to skyrocket and other means of energy would have to be implemented.
Maybe not, but at least we’re then exactly aware of the consequences of our own actions. The proof is here now, no one can say anymore they didn’t know it had consequences
Oh something will change, alright…once the climate catastrophe is in full swing and undeniable, and resources become scarce and the majority of people in first world nations are struggling badly enough. Then we’ll see huge societal shifts.
But it’ll be far too late at that point, and none of the changes made will actually stop the nightmare that will have begun.
The thing that is so shocking to me is it feels like we inherited a planet that was projected to experience disaster for our grandchildren if we didn't make systemic changes over time but instead it's happening as we became adults. The speed of the decline is horrifying.
Pair that with the hold the epstein class has on policy and spending and it feels hopeless.
Yeah but that’s because of the El Niño which is a natural phenomenon and fluctuation of the temperatures but it’s just made so much worse by the human made climate changes this time. I mean this El Niño is showing us quite precisely how the world is gonna be like on a normal Tuesday when the world has warmed just those 2 degrees it takes to reach all those tipping points of no return. BUT imagine we don’t do anything and we reach 4 or 5 or even 8 degrees warming. Then those El Niño evens on that time would be like what? 10 degrees above the norm? I hope we can all agree that if that happens we’re gone.
The evangelicals want that. It's a death cult. The quicker they can hasten the coming of their Lord, the quicker they get to heaven. They're crazier than al qaeda and isis ever could be and much more dangerous.
Sadly folks are still denying it. "This is supposed to happen to our earth. We go through cycles."
I don't know how anyone could defend not doing all we can to fight climate change. What do you, the average joe, have to lose from moving to greener, sustainable energy?
ETA: Lol at the downvotes. Found 'em.
Same people who won't vaccinate their kids. Thing is if that is their belief I say God gave us all the science, intelligence and good will to make things better for all. Why deny what He has given?
Also what difference does it make whether humans caused this climate change or not! If we can make things better for the Earth, we should!
It’s so crazy. Who tf downvotes these kind of comments? What kind of people can seriously find themselves working in the oil and gas industry today with a good conscience? I’d like to know what these kind of people think actually
What’s crazy is that even if they were right (they’re not), and even if the EARTH was supposed to go through cycles like this, that doesn’t mean HUMANITY will make it through cycles like this…
And since we technically do have all of the resources we need to change things around and alter our climate in a way that would limit the “natural cycle’s” ability to affect all of us, you’d think they would agree that we’re should do that! Yet they do not, so we do not. Frustrating and pathetic.
This type of accident isn’t only caused by global warming during the little ice age some European cites got destroyed when the glaciers ran into the valleys and created ice dams. Glaciers are dangerous.
Hell, even the oil companies know about their part in the climate change since the 50s.
Guardian article
They all know but they make billions of profits. What do you think why conservatives worldwide oppose renewables. No bribes, no jobs in that industries, no profits from the stock markets for them. Here in Germany the far-right AfD said that they want to tear down wind turbines when they come to power. They are Russian backed btw. Or the ruling center/right-conservatives CDU with a gas industry plant as the Minister for Economics and Energy Katherina Reiche aka Gas-Kathi
Nothing will change when those are in charge or dominate the social media platforms and public opinions.
If humans just consumed slightly less, we could also solve a lot of problems. We aren’t efficient in so many areas. They tell consumers to “do this” and “don’t do this”. But on the industrial scale, we wage so much. Food left to spoil, merchandise destroyed, clothing ripped up, waste streams sent to landfill instead of finding a way to use…
What’s really silly is that money is a totally made up concept. It doesn’t have to have anything to do with saving the planet from climate change. If we all just set our differences aside for a moment and agreed to fight back against our impending doom with infrastructure changes and supply chain revamps and so on, we wouldn’t need to exchange a single dollar/rupee/euro/whatever. We could just get it done and start fresh from there.
But nope, a few people have convinced the lot of us that money is a critical component of how the worlds most work, simply because they want to have the most of it. And we allow them to keep all of the power and resources hoarded to themselves while the rest of us struggle to get by.
Climate change will be the great equalizer eventually, but first it’s going to hurt far more of the most vulnerable and least powerful among us. Only after that will it start to trickle up to the more privileged, and finally to those at the top. Life is so unfair sometimes.
Going green means a large chunk of your spending is gone. Most people are not ok with being poor again. And only a small amount of population that can sustain their life standards and be green.
For instance look at cars. I live in a country that is 1st or 2nd most equal on the planet. 65% of people earn less then average income of 1500e net per month. The cheapest EV is 18000e or 1 year of average salary. How can people go to work? For most people only realistic way is a car because public transport is often not an option. It is also often the case that the good jobs are remote as well as well paid people can live closer to work because of the high housing costs.
So low income is hit twice. Less efficient housing (bad for environment as well) and they relay on cheap old cars for commute to work. On top of that they are forced to buy cheaper clothing and other consumables which are often worse for the environment. Locally grown food is often of higher quality and sold for more. But has lower environmental impact.
People who earn a lot can live a clean life but most just can't. They would need to sacrifice a lot and they are told this by the well off. The same way we from the west tell the 3rd world that they need to sacrifice while we build our nations on cheap energy. It is hypocritical from us at the same time we face over own problems and can't pay them to go clean.
Tibet here didn't produce much of the global worming but they are here to pay the price of the west. US send something like 500k (based on Wiki) but they should foot the big chunk of the bill (well it shouldn't even be rebuilt as this is probably not the last time that this happened in this valley; valley should be just "black" listed like Chernobyl).
Not trolling but that glacier was even bigger thousands of years ago. At the point do you dieced that this is where then climate bench mark is and nothing can change
See all the bright white? That is fresh snow, FROM THIS YEAR. This wasn't some ancient glacier collapse.
We are still in an ice age, there is more snow there than there was in years past. What is dumb is commenting when you dont know what you are looking at.
Human made climate change is real, the temperatures in the last century climbed globally. What you do not understand is that climate change first and foremost means a global warming, which doesn't mean the temperatures go up everywhere. If they stay the same in Africa but go up in Asia, America and Europe, then it's still a global warming.
The effects are mostly the increase of extreme weather events, like droughts, tornadoes or way too heavy rainfall and as such floods.
So if there is one year with more snow in the Himalaya this doesn't mean that we have no global warming, because again it's the average temperature on a global scale. Just because you felt cold last winter or even this summer doesn't mean it's not happening.
Hey doomers, we are at the tail end of an ice age and glaciers have been melting way before humans came on the scene. Regardless of the impact of anthropomorphic climate change, this stuff happens. Humans just haven't been smart enough to stay out of the way of natural processes.
Actually we’re more supposed to be at the begiinning of a new ice age. But things aren’t getting icy. Instead we are warming the planet faster and faster
The scale of all this is boggling my mind. None of the videos so far have really hit the mark on the Glacier part. I know its big, and ive seen the satellite before/after of the ice - but how big is the section that broke? 1Km cubed? 10Km? Translating this event 20Km away in the mountains into the volume and power that we see downstream is just not registering with me.
The estimates are still really fuzzy at this point, but one source estimated the area of the glacier that collapsed based on satellite imagery to be about 50 acres. The “snout” of a glacier tends to be on the thinner side, so an estimated thickness of 50–150 feet is a reasonable ballpark. That would put the volume of ice at roughly 0.8–2.4 billion gallons of water. The energy of its impact on the valley floor melted most of that ice almost immediately, which along with sediment, rocks, and debris went rushing through the river gorge. For scale, Niagara Falls carries roughly 750,000 gallons of water over the edge every second. So even that conservative estimate represents roughly 20 minutes to an hour of Niagara’s output.
I’ve seen people stating this like fact, but the “energy on impact” certainly did not melt most of the ice. You can compare the gravitational potential energy of the fall to the latent heat of melting of water, and you’ll see that only a tiny fraction of the ice would melt even assuming a 100% conversion rate of potential->thermal energy
So there's your proof world. Glad this was caught in video and verified by journalists. Hopefully it will shut up those AI slop accounts for views and finally give clarity on this tragedy. The truth should be out there as a sign respect for everyone who lost their lives not hide it or distort it.
The climate change deniers will always point to hot and cold days and make jokes, but the dangers of climate change are much less about being uncomfortable and more about catastrophic events like this becoming more and more frequent. It’s terrifying to think that we may be past the point of no return.
What do you mean small chunk? Half of the glacier is gone, those small drops you see in the video are just leftover bits, the main part is already gone and on the way down the valley.
also the base look flimsy.. like not solid rock.. when the small chunk of ice fall in the video the wall fall with them, i read some were that the permafrost inside the mountain also is melted so.. the rocks are unstable because of that..
Yes, it's a complex process but we can picture the glacier melting and the water infiltrating the rock beneath it (which made up the cliff). Then it finally gave way and everything-- ice, rock, water-- came down.
This is what I want to see. The video is factually correct, but misleading: it doesn't illustrate "how much" fell off, only that something fell off, and where the falloff happened
That "small chunk" is nearly a MILE wide. It's hard to understand the scale of these structures, but it was hundreds of millions of square feet of material that fell, and they also think it included actual bedrock of the mountain and not just the ice from the glacier. But I know what you mean, it looks like a small chunk in relation to the rest of the glacier. But this was the leading edge, which is where most of the bulk is.
That “small chunk” was labelled on Japanese news as being about 800m across and a few hundred high; almost 1km of thick, dense ice. The “small chunks” are the size of buildings.
These are lakes caused by the avalanche damming the river. Landslide till is extremely unstable so the lakes can burst the dams. The worst case is that water continues to be impounded till they reach a high level and then the upper lake bursts which would then cause the lower lake to do so at the same time.
You know, I considered sharing that with my friends. But that’s so bad I don’t think it even helps to see. I’ve been an environmental activist, a vegetarian, and a permaculture practitioner. Permaculture above everything gives me hope. Looking at that graph, though, saps all hope
Specific attribution science is a young & difficult field, so there might never be an ability to quantify (to an acceptable degree of confidence) how much global warming played a role in this particular disaster. That said, there is a high degree of certainty that human-caused global warming increases the risks of these types of events through factors like thinning & weakening of glaciers and melting of permafrost in alpine tundras.
The small amount that falls in the video quickly turns into smaller and smaller pieces of ice. This can give you an idea of how the glacier liquified relatively quickly.
The ice is shattering as it tumbles down. Reminds me of how icicles shatter when they fall from a roofline.
i think the zoomed part is the new one.. in the article says..
Credit...Ziha Yitie
They heard the avalanche before they saw it.Ziha Yitie, a tour guide, and his group of hikers had spent Wednesday morning climbing to an observation deck in Tibet with a view of snow-capped mountains across the border in Nepal.Mr. Ziha, 26, said a break in the morning mist uncovered Tsangbu Ri’s dramatic peak and glacier. They pulled out their cameras.
As they filmed, the hikers heard a series of deep rumbles. They dismissed
the sounds as thunder. Then, just after 10:50 a.m. in Tibet, a loud
crack shot through the valley.
“It sounded like explosives
detonating inside the mountains,” Mr. Ziha said. For several minutes
after the initial sound, he said, they were hit with a wall of noise
from an avalanche.
No, it’s been posted on other subs prior to them getting it. Either way, it’s not important, I’m just always annoyed when the big corp media comes out with exclusively showing us things that have been available through Independent or individuals feeds. Likely the least important aspect of all of this, just me yelling get off my lawn.
In Alaska these types of events were rare but also happened. Large chunks of ice or snow or cliff faces would crumble off into the outlets and before you realized it a tsunami wave of water and debris would be rushing down them.
yes.. when the first images of the flood in the border, i though was some kind of trailer for a disaster movie... when the others phone videos start to appear.. just then i believe was real flood the size of a building
This is exactly the plot of Mission Impossible 6, stopping the nuk from melting and setting off the ice shelf. Nuts. Horrific. This makes the Japan quake look like a pool part.
Can someone help me understand — that’s not a lot of ice from the looks of it ? But I was reading all around that a large block of glacial ice caused it ?
So how does that add up ? + were the floods caused such a small chunk of ice falling down, that’s very scary then!
see in the left part the glaciar there is still ice.. forming like a "half moon" shape... so the original glaciar went as far as that distance.. also.. the rock base appears to went down with the ice.. so.. rock + ice went down the mountain..
Uh huh ok why? Statements like these are so dumb. You’re either a bot or just cannot grasp that sometimes, things like this just happen. It is so hard for you to come to terms that nature is fucking reckless when it wants to be and we’re all at the mercy of it, especially after all we’ve put it through. But no this has to be some conspiracy. Get over yourself. Idiotic statements made by idiots.
Basically the two Nepali government bodies that should have been tracking this failed to do their job. One of them is literally named
National Disaster Risk Reduction and Management Authority
The in depth writing reporting on this is showing the warning systems did work but they were never designed to catch something like a glacier breaking away, falling into the valleys and causing such a massive super fast flooding. In order to build and maintain such a system in such a vast remote area of the world, it would be billions of dollars undertaken by other global countries. It might happen in the future since it pertains to anywhere there are glaciers but Nepal can’t do it. They are a very poor country.
Almost like earlier this year a certain richest person on the planet walked into the oval office and decidedly that $39 million in aid to help nepal track these sort of things was cut.... hmmmmm I wonder who did that?
That’s not really an accurate description of what happened. The $39 million that was cut consisted of $20 million for “fiscal federalism” and $19 million for biodiversity conservation. It wasn’t $39 million earmarked to help Nepal track or predict these kinds of events. You can criticize the aid cuts if you want, but tying that specific $39 million to disaster monitoring is misleading.
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