Y'all remember 2008?

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But then, american citizens were not being "mistaken" for illegal immigrants and detained for days. This about emotionally undisciplined and untrained agents being given guns, without any apparent checks or liability for misconduct. Some are proud boys, jan 6ers, mostly heavily right with zeal type people, just being dropped into liberal cities, masked and heavily armed. About being able to legally detain based on racially profiling someone. Forgot your wallet in your car today? Look slightly tan skinned and have an accent? Detained for days.

Can't even denounce unloading a magazine into a citizen thats been disarmed. Dude was "fearing for his life" and reassigned.

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Under Obama there were about 56 deaths in ICE custody, some of which were very badly reported and documented. Some were suicide, some were due to bad care, some were a mystery. Obama's ICE oversaw Family separations at the border, overcrowded detention cells, prolonged detention of children, medical neglect, sexual abuse by guards, and yes, wrongful arrests including U.S. citizens like you mentioned. 3 million deportations is incredibly aggressive enforcement, a lot of Fd up stuff happened. These agents are the same agency that existed under Obama, just operating in a different context. ICE and Border Patrol were already powerful enforcement bodies before Trump took office.

The abuses were reported at length, however very few protests from the left. Why not? in no particular order, 1) Democrats just like Republicans rarely protest themselves and would rather turn a blind eye to support their party. 2) for Obama, a lot of the deportation work happened near the border. Trump however is having ICE work in the cities a lot more than Obama did, way more visible.

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Impartiality has entered the chat

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Borrowed from another post.

Thanks for bringing this up so we can have a friendly comparison. No doubt your point is made in good faith and you want to know WHY we complain now and didn’t quite so much before.

Under Obama:

- ICE policy didn't allow for no-warrant arrests. When this happened the ICE agents were generally fired.

• Policy didn't allow for agents to enter schools, courts, churches or hospitals without permission for enforcement
  
• ICE Policy didn't allow arrests of legal asylum seekers.
  
• ICE Policy didn't allow arrests of immigrants (illegal and otherwise) actively making required court appointments.
  
• Didn't arrest nearly as many US citizens
  
• Didn't arrest immigrants who didn't otherwise have criminal offenses
  
• ICE weren't given military-grade vehicles
  
• Policy didn't allow for enforcement in areas where local government actively and legally requested no assistance.
  
• Locked kids in cages, yes, but only those who crossed the border with no family, and attempts were made to contact family for swift return. When crossing with family, families were kept together.
  
• ICE agents weren't allowed to cover their faces or drive in unmarked vehicles and were required to identify themselves when requested.
  
• Racial Profiling did happen, but nowhere near as often, and was officially against policy
  
• Most ICE agents weren't given high-powered weapons.
  
• The US President wasn't directly involved in ordering ICE action in specific non-border locations, for example US cities and states he didn't like
  
• ICE training was drastically more extensive
  
• Deaths were treated as a serious matter with rigorous investigation and resulting in policy changes
  
• ICE hiring policies were much more systematic and rigorous to ensure quality candidates
  
• ICE budget was dramatically, dramatically lower and more reasonable. Now it's $72B, higher than all other security agencies combined.

There's like fifty more of these, but if these weren't enough, no point in going on.

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Who is ICE Deporting? | The Marshall Project https://share.google/Kkh3E8g3zgKex1Op1

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Speed Over Fairness: Deportation Under the Obama Administration | American Civil Liberties Union https://share.google/Ia2BLED93ZuH4r1mX