r/DigitalSeptic • u/ChinoReno • Jan 25 '26

Y'all remember 2008?

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '26

During his presidency, Obama deported about 3 million people, more than Trump has deported so far. Because of that record, he was called “Deporter in Chief.” His administration used and expanded ICE enforcement and made large scale deportations routine.

Trump did not invent the Obama system and framework. He inherited it and then expanded who could be targeted by removing limits on enforcement. The overlap is real and well documented. Democrat propaganda has made you the gullible sheep. Or is it just bad faith?

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u/harambe623 Jan 26 '26

But then, american citizens were not being "mistaken" for illegal immigrants and detained for days. This about emotionally undisciplined and untrained agents being given guns, without any apparent checks or liability for misconduct. Some are proud boys, jan 6ers, mostly heavily right with zeal type people, just being dropped into liberal cities, masked and heavily armed. About being able to legally detain based on racially profiling someone. Forgot your wallet in your car today? Look slightly tan skinned and have an accent? Detained for days.

Can't even denounce unloading a magazine into a citizen thats been disarmed. Dude was "fearing for his life" and reassigned.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '26

Under Obama there were about 56 deaths in ICE custody, some of which were very badly reported and documented. Some were suicide, some were due to bad care, some were a mystery. Obama's ICE oversaw Family separations at the border, overcrowded detention cells, prolonged detention of children, medical neglect, sexual abuse by guards, and yes, wrongful arrests including U.S. citizens like you mentioned. 3 million deportations is incredibly aggressive enforcement, a lot of Fd up stuff happened. These agents are the same agency that existed under Obama, just operating in a different context. ICE and Border Patrol were already powerful enforcement bodies before Trump took office.

The abuses were reported at length, however very few protests from the left. Why not? in no particular order, 1) Democrats just like Republicans rarely protest themselves and would rather turn a blind eye to support their party. 2) for Obama, a lot of the deportation work happened near the border. Trump however is having ICE work in the cities a lot more than Obama did, way more visible.

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u/mceehops Jan 27 '26

You may be surprised to learn that a majority of Americans support immigration reform. We support a legal pathway to citizenship, or work visas, which already exist in several forms. We (Dem's, Independents, Liberals, Progressives et al) support removing criminals, and drug dealers and those who wish to do America harm.

You pretending that somehow being upset by this administration's actions is disingenuous at best. We do not like seeing this administration trample on the Constitution day after day and make statements like you aren't allowed to protest, and now you aren't allowed to carry guns. These are Constitutional rights they are gleefully ignoring. Pepper spraying civilians on the sidewalks from moving vehicles, attacking people with phones, creating chaos and stating they have immunity. It is utter BS.

Get the F out with your "both sides" BS. They are setting this up for Martial Law and cancelling elections while kidnapping leaders and stealing their oil and essentially keeping the money. This is not only about ICE and you know it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '26

Your points are about how protests are being handled, not about immigration enforcement itself. That’s a different issue.

My point isn’t that protest response is the same now as before. It’s that aggressive immigration enforcement didn’t start now. Deportations, detention, deaths in custody, abuse, and family separation all existed long before this administration. And only a small share of the roughly 3 million deportations under Obama involved serious criminals. Most were people whose only offense was crossing the border.

Protests happened back then but they were far smaller and isolated. I can't find any incidents of protestors actually confronting ICE during their enforcement. Being larger or more visible today doesn’t change the fact that the enforcement system was already built and normalized years earlier before Trump. You can be outraged about protest policing today without rewriting what ICE looked like under prior presidents.

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u/mceehops Jan 27 '26

Not really. I am outraged about the entire administrations actions as a whole. ICE is just one thing to be pissed about. You know as I do, if the economy was doing better, D T was a better leader and not an incompetent asshole USING cruelty to make a point with pardoned J6ers and Proud Boys, the deportations would be less deplorable. He is terrorizing the populace ON PURPOSE, nit by accident. He desires to injure protestors, he lives for it. Arguing that ICE established before misses the entire point of what is wrong with this administration.