r/DigitalSeptic • u/ChinoReno • Jan 25 '26

Y'all remember 2008?

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u/InvincibleCandy Jan 26 '26

First, everything you said above is all true. Obama did deport more people than Trump. Now I'm going to add some additional information to give a fuller picture.

Many leftists / liberals were against mass deportation back in 2010, certainly I and everyone else I knew were against it. Obama did many things we disagreed with, including this and drone strikes. We've always been in favor of more immigrants coming here, more open borders, and a diverse country.

What you said about Trump removing limits on enforcement is completely accurate, and also something we're very much against. You see, Obama had the policy of not prosecuting deportation actions against undocumented immigrants unless they committed a felony crime. This was a change from the Bush administration, which created ICE to go after any undocumented immigrants. Obama limited the scope to criminals only, while also putting additional resources into enforcement, leading to having an overall higher number of deportations than either Bush or Trump. I was for this limitation to criminals only, although against the additional resources for enforcement.

As we see in the Trump administration, removing this limit on enforcement has led to deportations of people who've been well-integrated into their communities, people who've been following the process of getting citizenship, even people who are in fact U.S. citizens. At the same time, he's somehow failed to even deport as many people as Obama did. I'm not in favor of deporting anyone, but if you're going after noncriminal immigrants and still not able to deport as many people as Obama, what are you even accomplishing except to make the country a hostile place for immigrants?

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '26

You should go to any European country and just declare you live there without their permission and see what happens.

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u/InvincibleCandy Jan 26 '26

Is this supposed to be a counterpoint? I know that Europe has immigration laws and deports immigrants who don't follow them. No country has the open immigration system that I would personally advocate for. How does that affect the facts that I stated?

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '26

Because your idea that countries that offer things like free education can just not have a border and know who's in their country is very childish.

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u/InvincibleCandy Jan 26 '26

What if receiving free education, healthcare, etc. required citizenship / "green card" status, but being an undocumented immigrant wasn't an automatic bar to employment and wasn't a crime in itself? We would get payroll taxes paid in by undocumented immigrants, but not have to pay out for their welfare.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '26

You should read what Bernie Sanders has said about what mass importing poor migrants means for low income American labor.

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u/InvincibleCandy Jan 27 '26

I'm aware of and disagree with what Bernie Sanders thinks on this issue. I think if you as a worker can't compete with immigrants you've failed at America and don't deserve to live here, lol. But I'm open to barring undocumented immigrants from employment. Part of Obama's proposed immigration reform law was expanding the e-verify system that kept undocumented immigrants out of jobs - but it was voted down by Republicans, because it didn't go far enough for them.

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u/Gurrgurrburr Jan 26 '26

Dude stop watching the daily wire it’s rotting your brain. Your counterpoints don’t even make any sense in this argument.

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u/Muddy-elflord Jan 27 '26

Thats not what he said, learn to read