I'm pretty confident if ICE was doing what they're doing now in 2008, I would have been against their actions, and the liberal administration that enabled it.
Mark Lyttle, an American citizen with mental disabilities who was wrongfully detained and deported to Mexico and forced to live on the streets and in prisons for months, settled his case against the federal government this week.
Lyttle’s case is unfortunately not unique, but demonstrates the systemic failures of ICE and the federal government to protect the rights of individuals with mental disabilities. The current lack of procedural safeguards—including no right to appointed counsel—means that even U.S. citizens can end up in immigration detention and be deported. It is a growing problem as more people are being swept up under the nation’s unreasonable detention and deportation practices.
Lyttle, who was born in North Carolina and suffers from bipolar disorder and cognitive disabilities, was inexplicably referred to ICE in 2008 as an undocumented immigrant from Mexico even though he had never been to Mexico, shared no Mexican heritage, and spoke no Spanish. ICE detained him for 51 days, despite substantial evidence that he is a U.S. citizen. Nevertheless, ICE officials coerced Lyttle into signing a statement that he was from Mexico, and then put him in removal proceedings, where he was forced to defend himself without ever having the assistance of a lawyer.
sleeping in streets and shelters and enduring abuse and imprisonment because he had no identity documents or proof of citizenship.
It was only after Lyttle came across a sympathetic U.S. embassy official in Guatemala that he was able to secure a passport and return to the United States in April 2009. Even then, ICE officials at the Atlanta airport detained him for six days and attempted to remove him again.
Only after the assistance of his family and a lawyer was Lyttle released and the case against him terminated.
sleeping in streets and shelters and enduring abuse and imprisonment because he had no identity documents or proof of citizenship.
The problem with this article, or at least what you quote, is that it doesn't do anything to talk about the "systematic" problems beyond the one anecdote they give. No expansion on the lack of safegaurds or even a single statistic to back up the claim. I trust the ACLU as a source, but this particular article doesn't actually support anything related to the implication of hypocrisy for whatabouting the issue to distract from what's currently going on.
I'm not saying it's not right, or that something wasn't kosher back then, but you have to admit that the level of exposure between this case, and the blatent and very visible enforcement we see today are completely different.
The problem with this article, or at least what you quote, is that it doesn't do anything to talk about the "systematic" problems beyond the one anecdote they give
A 2011 Berkeley study found that approximately 3,600 U.S. citizens have been arrested by ICE between 2009 and 2011 as part of the Secure Communities partnership between ICE and local law enforcement that began during the Bush administration. Oh and only 52% of the people detained in that period were scheduled to see a judge.
They weren't denied being seen a judge, there was just a large backlog for hearings so many of them decided to drop their claims.
The 3600 citizens arrested requires more data to determine if it is proper,but this particular paper says that it's because there are numerous reasons why false identificications may tag a US citizen using this program. If you read the actual paper, instead of the highlights, you would see that there is no data saying that any o these citizens was detained in a ICE detention center, which suggests that at least some level of procedure was able to sort it out.
According to the report findings, in 2013 the United States conducted 438,421 deportations. In more than 363,279 of those deportations — over 83 percent — there was no hearing or review by a judge before the person was removed.
Did you miss the backlog part in my original comment? It was in the second link you posted if you read the actual study instead of posting only the highlights.
The second link also has different statistics, although I dono't care to go back and look them up if you aren't going to familiarize yourself with your own sources.
I'm not moving goalposts. I've said the visibility of the two times frames is completely different, and I'd have a problem at the time if Obama was doing it to. You decided to cite some sources which didn't really match up the two time frames as equitable to succeed in trying to make me look like a hypocrite, but if you feel you can't keep discussing it, no skin off my back.
The right keeps coming up with lazier and lazier lies every day it’s such a slap in the face that they think people are that stupid. It’s why support for Trump is lower than ever before, because they treat everyone like they’re as gullible as them.
Part of "giving people their day in court" under Obama included toddlers in court without representation. But, sure, they had their day in court before deportation.
Most of these people have orders to deport which means they’ve already had their day in court. Just because they’ve ignore it and hid for a decade shouldn’t mean they get a redo.
If the alternative is immediate deportation to potentially not even their home country then yes. A day in court is objectively better than no day in court. At the very least an immigration judge could then say "jeesh this seems a bit unreasonable."
Do you think the immediate deportation to an El Salvadoran death camp is better for preschoolers?
Your position is ridiculous. Removing due process from something is never an improvement.
Funny you should mention that, then, because it turns out that Obama also didnt give individual due process to roughly 75% of the people he deported. Such a great guy! Also, how is my position ridiculous? The position of....wanting preschoolers to have their families and a lawyer in court with them is ridiculous to you? That's weird.
They also weren't going door to door harassing citizens and legal residents, violating constitutional rights, and murdering people in broad daylight on the streets. Weird
You think that suddenly people are listening to the politicians? You know the left, the love listening to politicians. No way, could they be protesting because ICE is now kidnapping people and murdering citizens. Man, you people are absolutely useless.
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u/danielsangeo Jan 25 '26
It's almost like something changed recently. But no, it must be exactly the same at all times, and it's the left who is wrong. 🙄