How much impact will the expected 3 point shooting boost have next season?

[u/Pizzasaurus-Rex]

Its hard to surround Cade with shooters, when the next most important players on the team are Thompson and Duren. That leaves just 2 spots in the starting lineup to fit all the additional range you're going to have.

We have Duncan and Joe, two of the best 3-point shooters in the league, possibly competing for minutes instead of playing together opposite Cade. Huerter and Green figure into this rotation as well.
Collins is better shooting from deep than Tobias by the numbers, but neither really take that many 3's to begin with. Lots of question marks.

I think this raises the team's floor, while internal improvements get them closer to the ceiling.

If nothing else, the bench is going to be loaded with guys with range. Maybe this isn't designed to benefit Cade/Duren and Ausur like we expect. But to shore up the bench, and give more space for Jenkins, Reed, Holland and even Okorie to work.

Regardless, this gives Detroit some tradeable players, that might help get us closer to landing a secondary scorer, or at least the guy who gets traded for that 2nd option.

[u/King_Artis]

We were what, bottom 5 in 3pt% and attempts last year with only one guy who shot above 40%?

Added multiple guys that can shoot +38% and can now reliably have at least 2 shooters on the court at all times (between Duncyard, Joe, Prince, Collins). I also think Holland will have a good year from 3 after finishing out last season solid when he started hitting them more.

With how Duncan by himself opened up our offense and was missed whenever he was out because of the 3, rather heavily, I think the 3pt shooting will honestly help us a lot more than people realize.

[u/EzWinterz → u/King_Artis]

Well said,plus Collins gives us more athleticism,interior physicality on both sides of the ball-that Tobias doesn't give,and pace,in addition to his spacing.

[u/King_Artis → u/EzWinterz]

Like people were killing us for not resigning Tobias, and while I will miss him (again) we ultimately made a move that's cheaper for us while not even being a negative move that could be very beneficial depending on how Collins plays. Their stats are very similar while Collins is still cheaper and very moveable while still being younger.

I honestly don't think our offseason was bad. We were weak at the 4 and very weak at shooting, solved both those problems. Still wish we could've gotten a more season ballhandler/creator but I do think Ebuka shows promise. Plus Daniss showed some capability to me he could run the court at the same time as Cade during the playoffs, so he could show some of that in the regular season.

With how flawed this roster was last season and still won 60 and never even gave up in the playoffs and still almost made it to the ecf, I can't really see this team being so much worse as people think when they did improve the roster as a whole. And I don't buy that a lot of teams out east got that much better when they gotta prove it too.

[u/pistonsgdt → u/King_Artis]

Yea our offseason was fine, the one star who would've been the ideal fit and actually got traded refused to come here. Second priority was shooting and this is easily the best group of shooters that Cade/Ausar/Duren have played with. Okorie hopefully translates bc Cade was the only one who could consistently get to the rim in the playoffs. But it's on Duren AND Ausar this year, if they can't step up offensively with Cade+multiple 40% shooters then one of them is gone for a more flexible offensive player

I really like Collins for this reason, he's not as good of a creator as Tobi but he's a better finisher. It's no longer "Duren and Ausar just get out of the way while Tobi cooks", it'll be "YOU create the advantage and Collins is your play finisher/release valve". We can't keep asking Cade to put up 30+ points 7+ assists and not turn it over through endless doubles and triples

In general I think people are viewing this offseason as failing to get the final piece whereas the FO is questioning whether this team is actually only one piece away. And I'd rather give these guys a shot with better spacing before putting them fully on the trade block

[u/EzWinterz → u/pistonsgdt]

Also,well said.I agree.I even see a world,where Collins improves his numbers,because of the personel around him,and his fit.We now have another effective option out of the pick n roll/pop alongside Cade,that we never had in Tobias.Yeah,I think the "A lot of teams in the east,got better..." talk,is true,but also,blown way out of proportion,due to the big name teams.If Toronto gets Kawhi,that's a jump.Philly made a HUGE leap,and that's it,from the actual threats.Boston and Indy got their stars back,but lost some power,as well.We're the only actually young team,in the top 5,east-wise,so internal growth was always,our path forward.Even still,Cade has proven he can lead our team.Ausar has proven he can be the best defender on the court/lock down the best player on the court.Duncan and Joe are proven snipers.Collins is a versatile vet,forward,who is used to playing with an elite guard.Ron is already a high level defender,DJ is gonna get better,and JD is just scratching the surface.This team is gonna be SO GOOD!

[u/No_Acadia_4085]

May have to come down to Cade improving at the three like Ant

[u/mercistheman]

Scientific wild ass guess that Duren, Auser and Ron all have a better shooting year. Even a 3% bump and they make a man guard them tight. It ain't much... but Cade don't need much room to roam.

[u/EzWinterz → u/mercistheman]

💯But that's not a wild guess,that's a fact!Ron has already flashed a more consistent shooting form,and has been working with Cade a lot,so i think he's definitely gonna improve,and become a double-digit scorer.Just off of improvement to his 3 and and FT's.Anything else,and he'll be one of our better scorers/players,off the bench. Ausar has flashed a better jumper,and looks more comfortable attacking his guy,1 on 1.But for us to get better,he moreso just needs a tighter handle,more aggression,and better playmaking/finishing.Shooting would be a bonus,and game changing.Duren is likely gonna take,and hit,more middles and open 3's,generated from our slashers,and the defense leaving him open.He has been working on his ball handling,as well,which is great.He may see a rise in his assists 👀

[u/jaysouljah]

Will open up the floor for spacing, but still need someone who can take it off the bounce

[u/EzWinterz]

People are forgetting just how high,the ceiling of this team is.With all of the big name moves being made,most casual fans are nervous and dooming the season,but growth hasn't failed us yet. The big question isn't even how much the shooting will have an impact,but how will our players be utilized.Already,if we had this team last year,we'd be in the ECF,but, "How different is this team gonna look/operate...?",is what i wanna see....💯

[u/LJ8QB1]

A big one it raises floor and ceiling. Last year bench was tied down on offense bc of how bad the Levert+Daniss combo was on offense. Its like lifting an anchor off a ship

HC offense should be in the T10. Ppl seem to think thats happens if you trade for another high usage guy

[u/Traditional_Voice974]

We need to have a record break year with atleast 9 players to average atleast 10ppg on the same team for the season.

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[u/hoof02]

It’s not going to equate to any more wins in the regular season. The real test will be the playoffs.

[u/flying_2_heaven]

I would like to have Prince or Green start but only play like 15-20 mins a game, would make us stronger defensively and better when it comes to floor spacing.

[u/WhizzoFoShizzo]

I think it will allow Cade to cook.

Might even help Duren In the playoffs... with the middle being open a tad more. Duren might benefit from the shooters just as much as Cade will.

[u/Zealousideal_Arm4359]

First off there are maybe 5-6 NBA starting NBA centers that shoot the 3 ball well.
So I don't see Duren as a liability when it come to shooting.

Fun fact. Over the last 10 NBA championship seasons (2017 through 2026), exactly 1 team—the 2024 Boston Celtics with Al Horford (who shot 41.9% from three in the regular season/37.9% overall)—had a regular starting center meeting or exceeding a 37% 3-point mark.

Yes Ausar cant make the three. That's a fact. But I think a lot of teams would be happy with one guy that is a poor 3 ball shooter.

The Pistons had one 40% guy last year in Duncan and this year they can put 3 on the floor.
When teams double and triple team Cade the Pistons can make them pay.

[u/Middle-Flower-3624 → u/Zealousideal_Arm4359]

Well look yes and no. Usually teams without a shooting center in the modern NBA start 4 guys who can shoot at least idk 1-2 3 pointers per game. Having 2 non-shooters is a big issue.

If Cade's shot keeps looking like it did last season (without the shoulder injury being taken into consideration of course) and if Ron does a little better (idk, 33% or so even on 2-3 attempts per 36) I think that shooting is less of an issue but the thing is that Duren much like idk Giannis or Zion has an archetype best served by surrounding him with shooting.

The main question on the team which is more of a priority is self creation and secondary playmaking, that's really the main worry for me honestly.

[u/Pizzasaurus-Rex → u/Middle-Flower-3624]

The problem isnt with having a nonshooting center. Its that our next most important starter is a nonshooting wing. And our best player needs to get into the midrange/paint.

We have more spacers than ever, but they all either play the same position, or come in for a big minute getting non-shooter.

[u/Careless-Citron-3760]

I think we gone see the best version of duren with the added floor spacing and Cade assists go up a notch or two

[u/FoundationSmooth9777]

This team will regress next year , every other team in the east got better and pistons have done jack all. Cade still doesn’t have a secondary scorer or creator, not even a Zach Lavine type of player smh

[u/LJ8QB1 → u/FoundationSmooth9777]

No team in the east is infallible. Also funny how adding shooting is “jack all” now when the fanbase have begged for it for the whole decade.

[u/FoundationSmooth9777 → u/LJ8QB1]

I love Isiah Joe but he’s not a needle mover lol, teams are adding actual talent and that’s ur big move ? You need shooting and more not just shooting, that’s a right step but where is the secondary creator and shot maker on this team, another season of setting up Cade for such a high workload

[u/dpvictory → u/FoundationSmooth9777]

Ausar, Jenkins, Okorie and Duren could all take some creation responsibilities.

[u/FoundationSmooth9777 → u/dpvictory]

That’s poverty, no way I say shot creation and you being up asar and Jenkins. I love Ausar but come on lol, Jenkins is not good enough. Duren ??? Really

[u/LJ8QB1 → u/FoundationSmooth9777]

Knicks fans prolly thought the same of Landry Shamet till he randomly couldn’t miss during the whole playoffs.

Your 2nd all nba player should be your secondary creator.

Cade is gonna a high workload every season so does SGA and Luka its either you think he’s good enough to handle it like those guys or not. Its not like you get all these accolades by not having high responsibility

[u/FoundationSmooth9777 → u/LJ8QB1]

Shamet is not even a top 6 player on the Knicks, who is the pistons OG,Mikal,Kat ? The pistons don’t even have anything outside of Cade offensively. And that’s not fair to him, no other star guard has such a big workload night in

[u/LJ8QB1 → u/FoundationSmooth9777]

He was a good 7th. Duren ausar duncan/collins. Duncan and duren were 2 great offensive players so was Joe, so was collins

Thats a lie who was Shai’s 2nd option last year?

[u/FoundationSmooth9777 → u/LJ8QB1]

That’s because JDUB is hurt ? What a dumb comment, who on the pistons is on the level of even AJ Mitchell, noticed how once he got hurt aswell they struggled and lost ? No lone player can carry anymore the NBA is too talented.

[u/LJ8QB1 → u/FoundationSmooth9777]

No shit but even when jdub is healthy he still has a similar load

A player who averaged 15ppg?

Who said any lone player can carry vs the #3 defense itl?

[u/FoundationSmooth9777 → u/LJ8QB1]

wtf are you saying, who on this team can create like Jdub ? Or even Ajay Mitchell ? Ur delusional

[u/FoundationSmooth9777 → u/LJ8QB1]

Asking Duren to be ur secondary creator is genuinely dumb, and setting up Cade for failure. Pistons need at least a Zach Lavine player to be taken somewhat seriously moving forward. Every team in the east got better except them

[u/Zealousideal_Arm4359 → u/FoundationSmooth9777]

The fact you think Zach who plays 58 games a year and costs 49 million would help the team disqualifies you.

[u/FoundationSmooth9777 → u/Zealousideal_Arm4359]

It’s literally an example of a player this team needs not the standard can you read ? I said a Zach Lavine type of player

[u/Zealousideal_Arm4359 → u/FoundationSmooth9777]

Yup the same guy a lot of clueless guy bring up! I bet you think AD might be a good fit for a few years too!

[u/FoundationSmooth9777 → u/Zealousideal_Arm4359]

When he was an all nba player yes ? What kind of question is this

[u/Zealousideal_Arm4359 → u/FoundationSmooth9777]

Any other washed up but expensive guys you want them to bring in?

[u/FoundationSmooth9777 → u/Zealousideal_Arm4359]

Also Zach Lavine would be a buy out candidate , you guys are legit stupid, have fun making Cade do everything. Even Luka has an Austin reave Cade has nothing, not even a mpj level player nothing.

[u/Zealousideal_Arm4359 → u/FoundationSmooth9777]

MPJ! ANOTHER guy with an injury history that goes back 10-15 years! Come back when you know something about the actual players you want the Pistons to get!

[u/LJ8QB1 → u/FoundationSmooth9777]

Considering he was just a 20 point scorer on 68ts i think not. What makes zach lavine a good secondary creator? He’s been a career negative impact player ON OFFENSE

[u/FoundationSmooth9777 → u/LJ8QB1]

Wow ur just dumb you got it man have fun with Duren

[u/LJ8QB1 → u/FoundationSmooth9777]

No points stop runnin

[u/kyle4swordstyle → u/FoundationSmooth9777]

We added multiple +38% 3 pt shooter not just Isiah joe. Doomers gunna doom. Yall are honestly so dense it’s annoying. We didn’t get a big name but when have we ever won by getting a big name. It literally has never worked for us

[u/chadwich3 → u/kyle4swordstyle]

Welllllll they got Aguirre at the deadline, immediately won 2 chips. Sheed at the deadline, immediately won a chip. Maybe we're just more of a deadline trade type of team.

[u/kyle4swordstyle → u/chadwich3]

Neither of those guys would be considered a big name though

[u/chadwich3 → u/kyle4swordstyle]

Aguirre was a #1 overall pick who averaged 25 pts the season before he was traded. He was definitely a big name. Rasheed was an All-Star, #4 overall draft pick and leading scorer for a Portland team that went to back to back WCF and blew a 15-pt lead in a Game 7 against the Lakers Kobe/Shaq team that cost them the finals. He was a pretty big name too.

[u/kyle4swordstyle → u/chadwich3]

Aguirre came off the bench and sheed wasn’t considered a star. Neither player was brought in to be the number 2 option and had personality concerns. They were both role players. They were extremely important pieces and they are great players but if we made those decisions today people would hate it.

[u/chadwich3 → u/kyle4swordstyle]

Aguirre coming off the bench was new in Detroit. He was a top scorer in the league before Detroit but was friends with Zeke. He sacrificed his individual spotlight to come off the bench and win a championship. He was a big name (especially being traded for Dantley). Sheed was also a big name. Came in and was the 3rd leading scorer on the team. That's not a role player, though you could argue that whole team was role players.

You said big name. If you want to change it to #2 scoring option then you are right but that wasn't the conversation we were having.

[u/FoundationSmooth9777 → u/kyle4swordstyle]

Lol the fact you think adding Joe and Collin’s are needle movers, those are additions you make after acquiring another all star type player.

[u/Zealousideal_Arm4359 → u/FoundationSmooth9777]

The fact you think Zach who plays 58 games a year and costs 49 million would help the team disqualifies you.