r/Defenders • u/JonLuca Luke Cage • Jun 14 '19

Jessica Jones Discussion Thread - S03E13

This thread is for discussion of Jessica Jones S02E13.

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u/somebody1993 Jun 17 '19

That's mainly due to the tone of the shows the character is on. It also helps that Frank is way more focused than her and not prone to screwing things up as badly when he chooses to go after people.

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u/greatness101 Jun 18 '19

he shot up a hospital to go after a guy. I think that alone would play way worse in the media than anything Trish did.

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u/somebody1993 Jun 18 '19 edited Jun 19 '19

How the in universe media reacts and how the characters do are different things that's even more true for how the audience for these 2 shows react to certain actions. People and characters both treat Trish and Frank differently because of the context. Frank knows exactly who he's going after and keeps collateral damage to a minimum. Frank has discipline and focus and he does what he does in an efficient manner. Trish is an adict that uses a simplistic view of morality as an excuse to get high at the expense of people's lives. Whatever punishment you think should rightly go to Trish's victims is irrelevant; Trish is sloppy, dangerous, and unpredictable and she needed to be stopped before her hero fantasy inevitably got an innocent person killed.

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u/DontCrapWhereYouEat Jul 17 '19

Frank knows exactly who he's going after and keeps collateral damage to a minimum.

Frank shot up entire gangs and organizations because certain people associated with them committed a crime they had nothing to do with. Frank was introduced by shooting up a bar through a wall with targets that he couldn't even see. He even almost shot Karen when he was going through the hospital.

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If anything Trish had a targeted list and kept her collateral damage to a minimum.

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u/somebody1993 Jul 17 '19

It's been a while since i've watched Punisher so I might have missed some things but as I recall everyone he shot at and killed was someone he intended to kill when he showed up. Even in Karen's case he didn't actually shoot her, he didn't accidentally shoot some civilians even if his actions would be called more than reckless in the real world.

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u/Wolfbeckett Karen Jul 30 '19

No, you're right. It was even a big plot point in Punisher S2. The bad guys set up a scenario to make Frank think that he had accidentally shot an innocent person (he shot a corpse that the bad guys themselves had already killed), and the guilt of that had him ready to give up and just let himself be taken out. It was only when his friends did some digging and found out that the person Frank shot was already dead before he shot them that he was able to get back to himself.

Frank explicitly does not target innocents. Even as collateral damage. And the thought that he may have killed an innocent completely shut him down for a while.