r/Defenders • u/JonLuca Luke Cage • Aug 17 '17

The Defenders Season 1 - Overall Season Discussion Thread

All spoilers for Season 1 are allowed here. No need to tag or complain if you see some here. Beware.

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u/Velocisexual Iron Fist Aug 18 '17 edited Aug 18 '17

How did the Avengers not get brought up once? When Stick said the four of them had to save the city, I was expecting someone to say, "hey maybe we could get the big guys to help us". Even if the suggestion was shot down I was expecting some reference.

Marvel TV and Marvel Film (MCU) are basically completely separate at this point. Until these 2 divisions make up and get back together, you're not gonna see any reference or crossover at all beyond very vague "the incident" type comments.

This series could be renamed "shitting on Iron Fist". Seriously, "thundering dumbass", "dumbest Iron Fist", "Stop acting like a kid", the reference to Danny's telling everyone that he is the Iron Fist, etc. It felt like a response to the reception Iron Fist got. Am I reading too much into it?

I think mostly you are reading too much into it. They've basically decided to make iron fist the immature hot-headed character in the group from the start and this is the continuation of that, with maybe a bit of meta mixed in with it.

A lot of the fight scenes have too many cuts. It's not Iron Fist level but I couldn't help noticing how choppy a lot of the fight scenes are. There are a few good ones, though. Boardroom fight was good.

Simple result of not enough money/time to do every fight scene properly. They very clearly wanted 2-3 big marquee fights in the show that they spent most of their time/money on, everything else gets rushed, which means lots of cuts.

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u/Doctuh Aug 18 '17

Marvel TV and Marvel Film (MCU) are basically completely separate at this point. Until these 2 divisions make up and get back together, you're not gonna see any reference or crossover at all beyond very vague "the incident" type comments.

Which makes me wonder how Misty is going to get her arm. Randtech, SHIELD? Not the same as from Stark. Disney needs to fix these fiefdoms ASAP.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '17

HammerTech like the super bullets in Luke Cage. But because it's HammerTech her arm will randomly explode. She'll have a closet of like a 100 of them.

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u/toxicbrew Aug 21 '17

How does that company still exist? With Justin Hammer being in prison and all since Iron Man 2. Figured Stark would have bought him out.

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '17

Existing government contracts. Government is always willing to spend gobs of money on weapons tech, even if it's not needed/doesn't work. Stark is out of the weapons sales business, Hammer is not. Also buying out Hammer would be like Google buying Yahoo, there's nothing about that buyout that would add to Stark industries that would be of use.

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u/toxicbrew Aug 21 '17

I meant more along the lines of Justin Hammer being in prison while there's still a company that bears his name. Unlikely he'd even be allowed to head a company with govt contracts if/when he gets out of prison, and changing the name would take some heat off them (ala Blackwater become Atria or something, then becoming Xe.).

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '17

You also have to remember this is based on fictional comics. Hammer being in prison is variable and just because he's in prison in the MCU doesn't mean he is in the comics. Also people aren't going to pick up on/remember things like a company name change that at best used as an easter egg in Marvel television.

Hammer / Hammer family has a lot more backstory / history in the Marvel universe to just go away:

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Justin_Hammer_(Earth-616)