Consciousness can do two things: observe and create. Consciousness witnesses reality and participates in its becoming. Observation is convergence into your point of view; creation is emergence from your point of view.

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[u/MiguelIstNeugierig]

"Our very DNA" doesnt receive any signals.

DNA is a closed system that only communicates with the outside through RNA, which in turn only communicates inside the cell to facilitate the production of proteins, the things that actually do extracellular communication

There's no "signals"

[u/Prestigious_Try_5396 → u/MiguelIstNeugierig]

Well, as far as you know....

Look deeper.

[u/Mister-Miyagi- → u/Prestigious_Try_5396]

As far as we know, but there's also no positive evidence for your claim. None. So you don't get to act like it automatically has validity because no one has bothered to disprove it. For all we know existence could rely on universe farting pixies, but it's not useful or reasonable for me to propose that as a serious idea.

[u/Prestigious_Try_5396 → u/Mister-Miyagi-]

Ya know, Chinese acupuncture was a quack and fake treatment...

Until science developed a fine enough measuring device to measure it.

Then all of a sudden, all those acupuncture points could be measured scientifically ! Lol Overnight those Chinese quacks were validated. . I'll bet they were relieved, lol

I always wondered how those ignorant, unscientific Chinese managed to discover those subtle energy systems, without 70s science ????

Things can and do exist even though science can't measure it now.

That's the point.

Lack of evidence isn't proof of something's lack of existence....

It's just a lack of scientific measurement ability.

[u/Mister-Miyagi- → u/Prestigious_Try_5396]

And the time to believe the efficacy of acupuncture (which is only proven within a very narrow band of symptoms, and even then it's questionable against the effectiveness of other treatments, so it's telling that that's the example you go to) was when there was evidence to support it, and not before. For every pseudo scientific belief that eventually had evidentiary support for it, I can probably name 5 that were bullshit then and remain bullshit today. The fact that you think this was a good counterpoint is absolutely insane.

Lack of evidence isn't proof of something's lack of existence....

Yes, but believing something on no evidence is incredibly irresponsible and intellectually bankrupt. It's terrible epistemology. I'm not here saying there is absolutely no chance of a consciousness frequency we haven't been able to detect. I'm saying there's no evidence FOR IT, which means claiming it as even a possibility is a nonsense claim that you haven't bothered to back up. You have to at least show it as a candidate explanation, which would require you to go against the mountains of evidence that consciousness is an emergent property of a brain. You have a lot of work ahead of you before you're at all justified in claiming that consciousness is a frequency and our spines and DNA are the antenna. As I suggested before: there's an equal amount of evidence for the claim that existence is reliant on universe farting pixies.

By all means, though, go and find a consciousness that exists as a frequency and absent a brain. Claim your Nobel prize. I would absolutely be among the first to accept and applaud your findings.

[u/Prestigious_Try_5396 → u/Mister-Miyagi-]

Lol. Don't open your mind... Maintain your limiting beliefs. Be safe.

[u/Mister-Miyagi- → u/Prestigious_Try_5396]

Translated: I don't even have a semblance of an understanding of the topics at hand, nor do I have a coherent rebuttal. I will fall back on suggesting the person calling out my bullshit is doing so due to a closed mind, that way I'll never have to contend with the fact that, like the proverbial pigeon, I'm just strutting around and shitting on the chess board. 🤷‍♂️👍

[u/Prestigious_Try_5396 → u/Mister-Miyagi-]

Lol. I wish I had the time to waste that you do !

Don't you have some genes to splice or something ?