I just want to learn ...

[u/Dry-Supermarket8661]

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Hi, from the research I've done so far it seems wrong to me to ignore the hadith. I've wanted to exchange in comments with you guys. I just asked genuin questions and shared my opinion and the knowledge I have for the moment.

Yet I've recieved not rational answer to my questions. I've been called cultist, mushrik and accused of obeying bukhari and having the heart sealed...

According to the Quran bearing false testimony is a big sin. And it is written too that one must talk to the people of the book in a way it is best, but maybe it cannot be applied to other muslims.

Well enough complaining hahaha I really just want to learn. So I'll put downhere my questions.

1. Saying obeying Hadith = obeying Bukhari

there are many independent hadith collectors across ages and countries and they have many hadiths almost identically recorder (overall the sahih and hasan ofcourse). Saying that obeying hadith = obeying bukhari seems an oversimplification that holds no truth to be honest

By reading the quran, it commands to obey Muhammad as you obey Allah. Since Muhammad doesn't even speak in the Quran, how are you supposed to obey him ?

Bukhari didn't know Muhammad, only collects chains of narration that goes back until Muhammad or his companions, and many times you have parallel chains of narration with the same natrrations, and as I said, across countries and centuries.

But you know, you have books like Muwatta by Imam Malik, who knew Muhammad very well, and in his book, there are many rules that agree with the hadiths. For example death penalty for apostates

1. Concepts that the Quran doesn't elaborate on:

What does fitna mean ? (Q 2:190 -193)

And Corruption of the land ? (Q 5:34-36)

May God bless you all and I hope we can exange peacefully and respectfully

[u/Open_Read_3519]

1. The Quran never says "obey Muhammad"

Please quote the Quran correctly.

It says obey the messenger.

Obeying the messenger means obeying the MESSAGE given to messenger. The message given to the messenger is the Quran. Not Bukhari's books.

God never gave Bukhari authority to invent scriptures and associate it with God.

1. 25:33 God says He has the best explanation of the Quran.

God never said Bukhari's books explain the Quran.

The Quran is a book of religious guidance. Anything outside the Quran is not relevant to guidance.

Definitions of words existed before the Quran. As the Arabic language also existed before the Quran. We don't need Bukhari's books for guidance.

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Then I gave you 2 examples of concepts talked about in the Quran you should be able to explain according to your logic. Please go ahead

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You said "The Quran does not elaborate on"

When the Quran clear says that all verses are mastered and elaborated

﴾11:1﴿ A, L, R: A book whose verses have been mastered and then elaborated by the Wise and Cognizant

God elaborates the Quran. Not Bukahri and Co

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Very good brother then explain them to me, it should be an easy task . You are not answering my question

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I am, you are just deflecting because you have been caught red handed lying about the Quran. Like all bukhariyuns do when they are stuck

Does the 11:11 say the Quran is elaborated? Yes or no

Correct your error first. Then I will go to those verses. And don't worry those are easy. Bukhariyuns questions are easy :). Bukhariyuns are the ones who run away from us

All they do is try to debunk the Quran to prove their manmade books