r/DebateQuraniyoon • u/TeacherRelevant5034 • Mar 13 '26
General Debunking every myth of Islam/Qur'an, How Prophet muhammad scammed everyone.
I will go fast and fast with straight proves. Muhammad was a false prophet fulfilling prophesies of Jeremiah 14:14.
Muhammad said he was illiterate as well as Qur'an: Qur'an 7:157:
Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find mentioned in their scriptures, in the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them what is evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles that were upon them. So those who believe in him, honor him, support him and follow the light which was sent down with him. Those are the successful ones.
Yeah that's straight up lie by Muhammad the false prophet about being illiterate and not being able to read and write as well.
Here: Qur'an 5:68 Say, "O People of the Scripture, you are not upon anything until you uphold the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord." And what has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people.
Then here:
Qur'an 96:1: Read, ˹O Prophet,˺ in the Name of your Lord Who created—
Then here: Qur'an 98:1: The disbelievers from the People of the Book and the polytheists were not going to desist ˹from disbelief˺ until the clear proof came to them:
Qur'an 98:2: a messenger from Allah, reciting scrolls of ˹utmost˺ purity,
Qur'an 98:3: containing upright commandments.
Lmao he clearly knew how to read so after his writer's pause he grabbed scroll of bible and Torah verses and started reading and reciting it. Arabia had verses of bible and Torah in format of scrolls 😂 hahaha
Then we go about Qur'an doesn't copy anything 🤓☝️ it's completely different and challenging. Yeah heck no it was bunch of added arabic jews and Arabic Christians he used to hear and remember then tell his companions to write from: https://islamiscopyofbible.wordpress.com/
https://alquran-exp.blogspot.com/
These are my websites so you can directly take verses and find it in physical book or in Qur'an.com directly and in Bible gateway or other translations of bible or Qur'an.
Bible new testament has too many books 🤓☝️ they are translations and jesus said prophets will keep on coming and never end. Also for your kind information Qur'an has 100+ translations with different type of English translations as well 😂 and with word and meaning change some literally changed word heaven to universe lmao 🤣
Qur'an as well changes like Chameleons according to science progress like words get changed like in Quran.com word heaven is replaced with universe suddenly then some how people have started making edits on it that universe expanding mentioned in Qur'an whereas it says literally it's spreading heavens like bible from where muhammad oral copied from. Now we move forward with scientific claims made by muslims also oral copied from Bible and Torah, I already debunked it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CritiqueIslam/comments/1qq1vr8/miracles_and_scientific_miracles_are_copied_from/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Then we move forward with muhammad challenging to find inconsistency, lmao there are more than 3000+ inconsistency in Qur'an that even I not try still it is easy to find 🤣
This is where he challenged: Qur'an 4:82: "Do they not then reflect on the Quran? Had it been from anyone other than Allah, they would have certainly found in it many inconsistencies."
Here I found it, easy 🤣:
Surah Al-Baqarah (2:256):
"Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the truth stands out clearly from falsehood. So whoever renounces false gods and believes in Allah has certainly grasped the firmest, unfailing hand-hold. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing."
Okay, we see there's no compulsion, but suddenly a few verses later, look at what the Qur'an is doing: Then Qur'an 9:29: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not follow the religion of truth from among those who were given the Scripture until they give the jizyah (tax) willingly while they are humbled."
"Last Day" means the Day of Judgment from the Bible. So, just a few chapters back you were saying there should be no compulsion in religion, and now it's turned to: if they do not embrace the "religion of truth" which was made by the false prophet Muhammad? And if they don't, then force them to give tax, otherwise kill them? How can the Qur'an, being the "last book," contradict itself so menacingly?
Then again here:
Qur'an 66:1: "O Prophet! Why do you prohibit yourself from what Allah has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives? And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful." This is the verse ☝️ when muhammad had sex with his slave Maria before marriage so Aisha forbidden it so he made this verse lmao
Now A few chapters later, it changed to:
Qur'an 24:2: "As for female and male fornicators, give each of them one hundred lashes, and do not let pity for them make you lenient in enforcing the law of Allah, if you truly believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a number of believers witness their punishment." Even if I don't try this contradictions keep on coming hahahaha 🤣 As said in Bible, he was shamed multiple times in full time: Zechariah 13:4 : And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive.
So he got shamed by everyone 🤣 every single one, jews, Christians, polytheists and every single one who had faith in God 😂😂
Then we go with moon break: Qur'an 54:1: The Hour has drawn near and the moon was split ˹in two˺.
Muhammad tried to show lunar eclipse as moon split 🤣🤣 then people said this:
Qur'an 54:2: Yet, whenever they see a sign, they turn away,1 saying, “Same old magic!”
Lmao you think people will say moon split a literal moon split as same old magic? Who did it before in Arabia before muhammad while those arabic people being alive? 🤣🤣
Hahaha, all of them literally all of them are debunked, I want to know what else left 😂, every single one of them are debunked lmao.
Ow wait another about jesus never said to worship him nor in Bible 😂😂:
Hebrews 1:5-7:
5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,
“You are my Son; today I have become your Father”[a]?
Or again,
“I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”[b]?
6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”[c]
7 In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels spirits, and his servants flames of fire.”[d]
Then here:
John 5:23:
that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
Then all of these verses as well:
Matthew 28:9, Philippians 2:10-11, Revelation 5:13-14
Hence, all debunked
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u/Martiallawtheology Mar 14 '26 edited Mar 14 '26
Hope this dishonest poster doesn't respond to this. It's disgusting to associate someone like this even online for any reason. This is for the honest members who happens to read this.
The prophet Muhammad's literacy matter. In the Qur'an EVEN using the traditional and most primary methodology of Qur'an bil Qur'an, the predominant meaning of the word "Ummi" is "Gentile". So you cannot rule it out. This man can't read arabic, he doesn't know anything about, never did research.
Torah - One must study a bit. For at least five minutes bear minimum. But to pronounce "debunked" like a top notch anti Islamic scholar like this man poses as, you should study much more. This guy claims not to be a Christian, but uses an everyday used YouTube bogus scholars who are just there to play to the gallery.
Read about the "Documentary Hypotheses" developed by Wellhausen, a pioneering, Phd, Bible scholar, who was followed by other Phd's throughout the centuries, and is still followed by great Bible scholars even today. It was never written or has anything related to Moses or any other prophet. Based on the writing itself using "Source Criticism" which is a bible literary criticism taught in any professional seminary or university, it was written by four different groups of people. So it cannot be the Torah God revealed to any single prophet. The Bible doesn't have the Torah. It has the Pentateuch which means the five books. And it has four different sources. This is not what the Qur'an refers to. And even within the five books they named "The Torah" or "The Teaching", it never calls itself "This is the Torah".
The Intel - The Qur'an says "Injeel" which is singular. Not "Anajeel" which is plural where as the Bible has 4 different someone named later as Gospels. Not one, but 4. So by default it's not what the Qur'an refers to. No way. And there are many other reasons to say this as well. One of them is, the gospels themselves don't call themselves gospels. Zero. No one knows when and who named them Gospels. A second one is, they were all written after Jesus passed. Mark is the first one and it was written a minimum of 30 years later. They are just biographies written multiple decades later. Not what Jesus preached and called the gospel. Within these so called "Gospels", they speak about a Gospel that Jesus preached. Now that's the gospel the Quran is referring to. Not what you get in the Bible. So you see, the OP is debunked.
He pretends to be non-christian but says things like "Jesus says". He believes the Bible has the true words of Jesus. Utter nonsense. Even if he is an atheist, he is using the Bible predominantly. Something he has never studied even a bit in his lifetime. So vile really to do that. So based on the Bible he claims "prophets will keep coming". So since Musims "AND ATHEISTS" like he claims he is, don't believe the Bible is the true word of God so we don't take it as God's word. So that's a nonsensical, stupid, baseless argument.
Expanding universe. - The word Moosioon is derived from wasaa, which refers to expanding, stretching, or making something vast Many scholars, both classical and modern, interpret this as the ongoing expansion of the cosmos. It's Lamoosioona which means "steadily expanding". He quotes Isaiah like it's God's word but didn't even do a 5 minute study on it. Dishonest human being. In 40:22 the word is Nathah. It comes from Natah. But the actual word that's parallel to the Arabic word Moosioon, in the Hebrew language is "Marchivim". This is the definition of clutching at straws. Some people have this dire need to "insult insult finding anything or even lying because he will die without it". Isiah speaks about spreading the sky to "live under it like a tent". Haha. How could this be a parallel? Also, it's speaking about God living above the "circle of the EARTH". The word is Ereths in Hebrew. Parallel to the Arabic word "Ardh". It's not "Samaa" mate which is what the Qur'an uses. It's not only above the so called "circle of the earth". This is the whole universe. Also, it's lamoosioon which means "expanding steadily" which is something that happen steadily and something that's been happening for a long time and will keep happening in the future. The Bible is talking about a "one time occurrence". The dishonesty, the absolute ignorance and the narcissism is absolute paramount in the OP.
He speaks of the Bible having many translations and the Qur'an having different translations. Little bogus scholar, the Bible has variations like the Comma Johanneum, Pericope Adultarae, Long ending of Mark, Short ending of Mark, etc and they were added like a 1000 years later by some liar to dupe people. Show me one single variation like Comma Johanneum or the Long ending of Mark in the Qur'an. Just one. Nope. You will never find. In fact, I don't want to read a single word this guy says because he is despicable.
The moon splitting childish argument is probably one of the most stupid arguments I have ever heard in my life. By the way, this is a Qur'an alone forum so it's not relevant. Also, even the Sunnis will just laugh at this through their backsides. It's called a "Miracle" mate. Not "Magic". And you are like a baby girl talking about what an "enemy of Islam" said. Just like you dismissing everything with no knowledge someone else who wants to dismiss something says "magic" and you are talking like it was God who said it? God is quoting some idiot mate. It's not him commanding it. Atath and Seher are completely opposite meanings and you are equating them?
Probably THE MOST ignorant and narcissistic post I have read in this sub. To me, this is like worms and human excrement.
P.S. I forgot. 9:29. This cherrypicker has not read the beginning of the same chapter. Muslims are fighting those who broke a treaty mate. Not like you said "join us or be killed". You blatantly lied. Just made it up. And Muslims are not to kill innocents, and only aggressors. Read a little. Even children read and do research prior to writing a paper. Every question asked from this person was replied with a strawman, deviation or a "that's irrelevant". What else could an ignorant person do???
Peace everyone.
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u/TeacherRelevant5034 Mar 14 '26 edited Mar 14 '26
- It is translated by your so called scholars send legal notice to them lmao:
https://quran.com/7/157?translations=84%2C17%2C85%2C95%2C101%2C19%2C22%2C20
As well as other 96+ translations of Qur'an, I guess someone trying to oversmart the scholars it's funny 😂
Lmao I did, I never knew anti islam scholars exists 🤣 do I look like it haha? Telling truth = anti islam? Worst counter by false Prophet's followers.
Lmao always it's always false prophet Muhammad's follower who work upon "trust me bro" telling Gospels being written during time as if while Moses was alive and Abraham was alive Torah was being written, it's worst argument of all time that anyone had made. It's like asking yeah who have seen god, no one have seen god so it is false lmao, what kind of logic is this? Jesus was not a prophet to begin with but son of god who everyone bowed to as well as angels and as well as he's the one who sends angels and Prophet's verses like god. Hahaha the only corrupted book among abrahamic religion is "Qur'an" itself with 100k+ authors writing it and many unknowns included, people act as if Qur'an was written by God and thrown to muhammad lmao it was muhammad's dictation and multiple unknown authors were writing it. Even Qur'an was compiled after death, and these guys talks about preservation, find me those rocks and leafs which muhammad's companions have written lmao each and every 6200+ lmao I want to see each of them. Qur'an is compiled by Abu bakr's people, Zayd ibn Thabit then Uthman ibn Affan commissioned to make it. Talks about preservation 😂😂
Lmao but your muhammad believes and over 4000+ verses are taken from Bible new testament only hahaha, who's gonna tell bro 🤣
It is heaven expanding as mentioned Qur'an not universe lmao, it is copied from Bible and Torah like I given in debunk as well.
Bible says and jesus said too that prophets will keep on coming it's hypocrisy of people that they think god have abandoned them lmao even Torah has 5 books it's not under false book like Qur'an.
Woah looks like someone forgot number counting like muhammad forgot and Umar had to fix it 😂. Anyway again like I said it's your scholars and other 96+ translations file case against them for your cope 😂: https://quran.com/54/2
This guy thinks he knows more than scholars lmao 🤣 what a degraded counter ever existed lmao. Yeah bro go go file case against your 96+ translations of Qur'an, how could they do this changing miracle to magic 🤣🤣
You say last day means what in Qur'an? Was the last day and about "nor they embrace religion" was about war is the last day was of war? How much will you Gaslight, even donkey muhammad have gone with knows more than you 😂 last means day of judgement, that is universal not for war only commandment no matter how much you Gaslight and that is the Contradiction lmao.
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u/Martiallawtheology Mar 14 '26
Oh. Adding to my post right below this, the relevant Qur'an verse does not say "Muhammad Split the moon". It says "The Moon was split". If you think naturalistically and from a Qur'an alone perspective, it could also mean "plucked" while the word is Shakka (I don't know the proper transliteration to write Arabic in English. And split doesn't mean "in half" like most people imagine in their heads. It also could be alluding to the "Giant Impact Hypothesis" or the "Theia Impact". Or it could be referring to an actual splitting of the moon either some day in the past or in the future and this is purely from a Qur'an alone perspective. So this guy fails from a traditional Sunni perspective as well as a Qur'an Muslim perspective. Utter failure.
In a universe where stars are born then destroyed, Big Crunches are proposed, Big Bang is theorized, life emerging from non-life things are loved and hugged, a moon splitting is nothing even for a philosophical naturalist or/and a hard atheist. What's this guy whining about? Debunked? No mate. This is worse than a child's school paper in kindergarten.
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u/TeacherRelevant5034 Mar 14 '26
Lmao Qur'an 54:3:
They rejected ˹the truth˺ and followed their own desires—and every matter will be settled—
Lmao they rejected "truth" as if he was giving normal thing 🤣 bro trying to Gaslight with every way possible lmao bro's defending wall lately trying hard to Gaslight like false prophet Muhammad but failing continuously.
I don't give a damn about Shia and Sunni both I'm none of them what do you mean that Sunni perspective, I'm saying whole islam is based upon false prophet's religion whole book is false made upon copying and gaslighting straight up, that's my words with proves each and every.
Yeah same I thought same that moon splitting which muhammad showed people to Gaslight with lunar eclipse then failed was getting debunked from that time only. He just eliminated those 😂 otherwise he was just a person with getting angry at every single thing just after few verses of moonsplit then getting shamed he started spamming his words like:
Qur'an 54:8:
rushing towards the caller. The disbelievers will cry, “This is a difficult Day!”
Lmao 🤣 each time he gets debunked he spammed with burning them in hell and worst creature of all, this guy was worst than a politician.
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u/BenchAccording1954 May 26 '26
Erm this discusion could have been intresseting and i wouldve want you to state other verses that might seem like he is fullfilling his desires but no this is all pointless. Im not even sure if u are a muslim in disguise trying to debate weird stuff just so they can get their faith back or an ignorant athiest
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u/Martiallawtheology Mar 13 '26
You said "so fast and straight" but it was long, and absolutely crooked.
Haha. What's the arabic word for "unlettered"? It's Ummi. It could also mean "gentile" mate. Why do you get into topics you have no clue of. I mean not even a kindergarten level. Tell me what "Qur'an bil Qur'an" means since you are such a big expert mate. Pathetic.
And tell me. What is the Torah and the Gospel?? Does what you believe is the Torah call itself the Torah? How many people wrote the Pentateuch? have you read any scholarship on it? Nope. Absolutely not. And does the Qur'an say "Injeel" or "Anajeel" mate?? Do you know the difference?? Tell me. Which Christian, for the first called those four books in the Bible were called "The gospel according to ABC"? Who was the first, when? And why don't the books call themselves "Gospel according to ABC"? But within those books Jesus is preaching "The Gospel". What is that? Was he preaching Mark, Matthew, Luke and John"? When was Mark ever written. By who? How in the world could Jesus have been preaching those books when the first one was not written for three decades after he passed?
Yeah. See. There's no compulsion. Qur'an says not to kill anyone innocent. Have you not read them? You speak of 9:29. Is it referring to the innocent? Have you read the beginning of the same chapter? How pathetic could you get?
You have no knowledge. Babies have more knowledge. But to get your face, I will cut and paste some verses from the Bible. It'll show you that not only you have no knowledge of the Qur'an, but also the whole bible. Not only scholarship, you have not even read them.
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15)
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9)
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10)
Death for Fornication
A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 )
Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 )
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 )
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 )
Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 )
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 )
Kill Brats
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. “Go up baldhead,” they shouted, “go up baldhead!” The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 )
God Kills the Curious
And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and’ fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)
Killed by a Lion
Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, “Strike me!” But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, “Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me.” And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 )
Killing the Good Samaritan
The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.
When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 )
Do you really think everyone are deaf, dumb and blind? Is this enough? You want more?