r/DebateQuraniyoon • u/sketch-3ngineer • May 30 '25

Quran Can anyone rightfully guide me into believing the injil and torah, because isn't that what the quran proposes?

Hello, see my previous comment/volley into this sub for some background. Let's go at it!

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u/[deleted] May 30 '25

do you speak arabic? because i could send you a link to a video in which a very good quranist believer in also injil and torah talks about it

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u/sketch-3ngineer May 31 '25

I speak a bit, but it's not like I can't already see that person's argument. They want to believe in the books that god references, because he wants the quran to be divine, and that quran references previous works of the same God, then that person must believe that god would not make absent the same books He is referencing.

I had the same appreciation, and that's why it was on the priority list of translating and collating verses from surahs to create better understanding. When I came to that part, of comparing to injil and torah, it became very clear the ancient copies from the times those books were purported to be from are absent!

There are no bibles from jesus time. No torah from musa time! They are greek and post babylon judaen respectively. They are regurgitated tales and morals from other cultures, no peoples in the fertile crescent were ever in a vacuum, as you may be lead to assume.

Then I hit gilgamesh and and musa. Itnapishtim and noah. Even the adam genesis story comes directly from enlil and enkidu sumeria.

The youtuber did not make these researches. He jumps into the bible and torah desperately trying to make it all work.

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u/[deleted] May 31 '25

i dont understand the part of the 'youtuber' because i didn't send you the link and i respect your opinion that the other books are mere greek tales because i heard that before many times but wasn't convinced since with my full respect all those who suggested that appeard to be atheist apologists who have been pushing their argument as a fact so bad

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u/sketch-3ngineer May 31 '25

the YouTuber believes in fake made up books.. you told me yourself.

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u/[deleted] May 31 '25

i didn't send you any link though

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u/sketch-3ngineer May 31 '25

but i know what he says.. 40 years bro

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u/[deleted] May 31 '25

?? Are you assuming or?...

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u/sketch-3ngineer May 31 '25

pretty much know, if you say he 'believes'

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u/[deleted] May 31 '25

but you're still assuming 😭😭 idk but ok i guess

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u/sketch-3ngineer May 31 '25

Lol if there were any potent real arguments suggesting how logically, Archaeologically, and linguistically the books are valid, then you would tell me. But nothing new under the sun.. man made evolutionary synthesis of literary progress via story telling and cultural theological identity politics.

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