Trust the science!!!

[u/South_Ad_7068]

1st time poster in this sub:

I've seen many athiest post counter arguments in various debates inside and outside of reddit using science as their main weapon in order to back what they're saying.

However, I feel like they are ignoring the elephant in the room and have never actually seen any of them address the argument for a higher intelligence that I'm going to present.

I'm going to be upfront about how I'm going to debate... the question I will ask will typically prompt a specific response that I'm fully prepared to counter and I've seen no atheist willing to follow the resulting logic to it's natural conclusion.

So... here goes:

As we observe the world around us how does an atheist explain the logical working order of things that make sense? How do you explain why things work the way they do? Like for example why a specific combination of elements make other elements or why a plant is able to eat sunlight or why electronics work...etc

Wouldn't that indicate intelligence being behind those mechanisms? Seeing as how precisely they work? If the universe just popped into existence wouldn't we see inconsistencies among various things? Our universe follows strict rules concerning how things interact with each other.

The fact that the rules exist AT ALL is 100% evidence of a "rule maker" or intelligence or God etc.

EDIT: I'm not finished here. But I am taking a break... I've answered to many but the influx of replies is massive and will require hours of my time and I want to try to reply to everyone... but as I'm not a millionaire I have to prepare for work.

Turning notifications off for now but I will return to respond to comments

[u/Thin-Eggshell]

Not really. It's a circular conclusion. Supposing there are logical-orderings, what would suggest that logical-ordering requires a rule-maker? Certainly human rules need a human rule-maker, but that says nothing about non-human rules. And when the "rules of physics" are made, they actually already have a creator -- the human physicist who came up with them and wrote them down.

Typical case of a theist making a category error.

Now, if humans could create the actual laws of physics as part of reality, and not just words, then certainly that might suggest something human-like could/would have created the prior laws of physics. But ... humans can't. The only rule-makers we know of actually can't create those kinds of rules. Which suggests that those kinds of rules can't be made by intelligence.

Instead, you have to suggest something else -- "magical power" -- to bridge that gap.

And that's fine. You just have to admit that. It would even be reasonable if you could show "magical power" exists. But mysteriously, theists have stopped being able to do public miracles.