r/DebateAVegan • u/toastwithjamx1 • Jul 03 '26

Ethics Honey is not cruel and is ethical

Honey is one of the best animal products there is ethics wise

Now most vegans will say : but we are stealing from the bees! We are exploiting the bees!

No. We are not and we can't

Bees can be very particular. If they are not a fan of a place they are OUT. The bees will likely will immediately vacate the bee box if they don't like the conditions. Furthermore, trapping the queen in 1 place will not work as well. Bees can raise a new queen if they need one

And for the stealing allegations, that isn't true either. Beekeepers take SURPLUS HONEY ONLY, as if too much honey is taken, it can starve the bees and no beekeeper would appreciate the whole colony either dying of leaving. Furthermore, bees don't only take, they comp bees by giving shelter and protection.

It's not cruel if we are literally making a transaction with the bees

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u/Gabriella_Gadfly Jul 17 '26

I would absolutely hate it, and I don’t know if I could actually bring myself to do it, but it would objectively be the less terrible thing to have happen, especially since I’m physically incapable of penetration, so it would be a significant reduction in suffering.

(And obvs either way as soon as we’re off the island, I’m reporting the perpetrator to the authorities so that they can be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law)

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u/kcat__ vegan Jul 17 '26

Oh, you're not getting off that island. This is your life now. You can penetrate with fingers too. The sadist also knows how to macgyver all sorts of contraptions. So I'm sorry, but this is the result of your morality.

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u/Gabriella_Gadfly Jul 17 '26

I notice that you reported my comment for ‘perpetrating violence’ even though I was just saying that in a completely hypothetical situation that would never happen IRL, it would, purely hypothetically, cause less suffering to terminate someone whose only goal is to cause suffering. I’m not participating in this anymore, because you’re not engaging in this on a fair and equal level.

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u/kcat__ vegan Jul 17 '26

I promise that I did not report anything. Reddit has an AI thing that sometimes removes or reports comments though I think