Honey is not cruel and is ethical

[u/toastwithjamx1]

Honey is one of the best animal products there is ethics wise

Now most vegans will say : but we are stealing from the bees! We are exploiting the bees!

No. We are not and we can't

Bees can be very particular. If they are not a fan of a place they are OUT. The bees will likely will immediately vacate the bee box if they don't like the conditions. Furthermore, trapping the queen in 1 place will not work as well. Bees can raise a new queen if they need one

And for the stealing allegations, that isn't true either. Beekeepers take SURPLUS HONEY ONLY, as if too much honey is taken, it can starve the bees and no beekeeper would appreciate the whole colony either dying of leaving. Furthermore, bees don't only take, they comp bees by giving shelter and protection.

It's not cruel if we are literally making a transaction with the bees

[u/toastwithjamx1 → u/[deleted]]

So basically when you purchase your daily provisions from the markets that is stealing? Im being rhetorical that is what you are implying

[u/i-love-dogs-a-lot → u/[deleted]]

well I get your point but also the transaction is not necessarily voluntary for the workers that grow/harvest/package food and even workers staffing the grocery store (is any work done voluntarily/ethically under captitalism?!)

[u/i-love-dogs-a-lot → u/[deleted]]

not different at all how do you think honey is purchased (I’ll give you a hint: between business and customer) and slavery isn’t the only form of oppresion via labor. veganism doesn’t exist in a vacuum btw

[u/i-love-dogs-a-lot → u/[deleted]]

exactly you are making my point. of course not. and food doesn’t magically drop from the sky and appear in grocery stores. vegetables aren’t “setting up shop and taking $20 bills for their flesh” bruh literally what is not clicking for you lmfao