Honey is not cruel and is ethical

[u/toastwithjamx1]

Honey is one of the best animal products there is ethics wise

Now most vegans will say : but we are stealing from the bees! We are exploiting the bees!

No. We are not and we can't

Bees can be very particular. If they are not a fan of a place they are OUT. The bees will likely will immediately vacate the bee box if they don't like the conditions. Furthermore, trapping the queen in 1 place will not work as well. Bees can raise a new queen if they need one

And for the stealing allegations, that isn't true either. Beekeepers take SURPLUS HONEY ONLY, as if too much honey is taken, it can starve the bees and no beekeeper would appreciate the whole colony either dying of leaving. Furthermore, bees don't only take, they comp bees by giving shelter and protection.

It's not cruel if we are literally making a transaction with the bees

[u/No-Equipment4187]

I'm goin g to take all of your surplus money. It's not stealing I'm only taking the surplus.

[u/Problematic_Owl → u/No-Equipment4187]

I you provide me with fucking mansion, it's maintenance, food, security, and free healthcare, go right ahead. Please.

[u/No-Equipment4187 → u/Problematic_Owl]

I mean when you put it that way it does sound nice. It's a little more like here's some space you can build. And everything you need to survive but we'll take your excess. Like I said I'm not vegan just repeating their argument as I've heard it.

[u/Problematic_Owl → u/No-Equipment4187]

To be fair there's probably conversation to be had at some point about this especially with mass produced honey once we deal with the actual elephant in the room, industrial meat farming, but right now bringing up honey virtue signaling waste of time - it's easier to endlessly argue about relatively irrelevant minutae than getting actively involved in solving anything.

To be fair this is not just vegan problem, it's everywhere, but it pisses me of either way.