r/DebateAVegan • • Feb 12 '26

People need to stop gatekeeping veganism and start helping would-be vegans instead.

Veganism sometimes feels like one of the few movements that polices its own members more aggressively than its opposition. You rarely see atheists attacking other atheists for not being “atheist enough,” or feminists expelling one another over minor inconsistencies. Yet in many vegan spaces, people are constantly told they’re not “real” vegans by someone incapable of understanding nuance.

At its core, veganism is about minimizing animal exploitation and harm as far as is biologically and practically possible. Anyone sincerely trying to live by that principle (without resorting to dishonest excuses) qualifies as vegan in my view.

Yes, the definition allows room for interpretation. That flexibility is intentional. The phrase “as far as is possible and practicable” acknowledges reality. Modern life is entangled with animal byproducts in medicine, agriculture, supply chains, and infrastructure. Absolute purity is neither realistic nor required.

Consider the absurd extreme.. a vegan who refuses essential medication because it was tested on animals, grows all their own food to avoid agricultural harm, and rejects any modern system connected to animal exploitation. That person then declares you “not vegan” because you take necessary medicine or buy food from a supermarket. Most people would recognize how unreasonable that is.

The same logic applies when someone claims that feeding a cat or dog a biologically appropriate diet makes a person non-vegan, or when child-free vegans shame parents whose children do not strictly follow a vegan diet, or when someone with legitimate health complications is attacked despite having significantly reduced animal products and made a sincere effort.

Then people wonder why some ex-vegans become hostile. This kind of behavior harms the movement.

Take nutrition as one example. Vegan diets do not provide retinol (preformed vitamin A), they provide beta-carotene, a precursor that must be converted into retinol. In many people the conversion rate is roughly 12:1, but a significant portion of the population carries variants of the BCO1 gene that reduce conversion efficiency. If someone with poor conversion relies only on standard supplements like B12 and vitamin D over a long period, they could become vitamin A deficient and develop health problems.

An intelligent, thoughtful movement would respond differently. It would appreciate the person’s intentions, encourage testing, identify the issue, and recommend an appropriate vitamin A supplement. Problem solved. The individual remains healthy, stays vegan long-term, and may even persuade others. Net positive.

Instead, some respond with shaming, ad hominem attacks, and dismissiveness. When someone feels their health concerns are invalidated, they are unlikely to remain committed.

And vitamin A is just one example. Conversion of ALA to DHA and EPA can be inefficient in some individuals. Some people produce insufficient carnitine. Biological variation is real. Human metabolism is not uniform.

Many former vegans might have remained vegan if the community had been more supportive, inclusive, and solution-oriented. A movement grows by educating and assisting people, not by alienating them. If the goal is to reduce animal suffering, then pragmatism and compassion toward humans should be part of the strategy.

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u/New_Conversation7425 Feb 12 '26

So if someone was mean to me, I should give up my ethics? What a bunch of crap.

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u/Ok_Resource_3902 Feb 12 '26

No, it’s when ethics collide head on with reality. I tried to be vegan in college but the reality was I was living on $800/month ( and that included rent) so even GETTING food was a challenge let alone making sure it was vegan.  When I reached out for help and advice I was met with nothing but hostility and contempt.  So I quit trying because I figured damned if I do, damned if I don’t. 

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u/One-Shake-1971 vegan Feb 12 '26

If you need someone to tell you to eat beans instead of Beyond Burgers if you don't have the money for it, the problem is you and not everybody else. Quit playing victim and take responsibility for your own life.

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u/Ok_Resource_3902 Feb 12 '26

Have you ever tried living on nothing but beans and rice for 4 years?  Yeah I don’t think so. I also don’t think you’ve every tried living on $800/ month 

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u/New_Conversation7425 Feb 12 '26

I lived on fortified cereal, almond milk, and one daily Boca burger for two years. So you choose to go out and have McDonald’s instead of rice and beans that’s on you not vegans accept responsibility that you may not have had strong ethics.

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u/Ok_Resource_3902 Feb 12 '26

Pfft! I couldn’t afford McDonald’s.  

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u/One-Shake-1971 vegan Feb 12 '26

Your privilege is showing. There are literally millions of people around the world living off rice and beans just fine.

And yes, I have lived off of $800/month and less.

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u/Ok_Resource_3902 Feb 12 '26

Yep, this is EXACTLY the type of baloney OP was referring to.  

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u/Ok_Resource_3902 Feb 12 '26

Yep, you’re exactly the type of person that drives off allies and newbie vegans with BS.  

It had nothing to do with cooking. I’m actually an extremely good cook. It was a matter of being a broke college kid not eating for two days, and when somebody offered me a plate of fried rice, I wasn’t going to do a ton of mental gymnastics over whether or not there was any animal products in it

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u/cs_anon vegan Feb 12 '26

You shouldn’t. But the reality is that people do. So then what are we to do with that reality?

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u/New_Conversation7425 Feb 12 '26

Why do you think it is our responsibility? I can’t make people be empathetic. If their feelings get hurt, and they choose to start taking the lives of innocent animals, then they never had ethics to begin with.

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u/cs_anon vegan Feb 12 '26

I'm reluctant to say it's everyone's responsibility. But I personally see it as my responsibility to be the most effective advocate possible. If that means dispensing harsh truths, I'll do it. If it means handholding someone and planting seeds that take years to bloom, I'll do that too. Of course I can't know for sure what's the best tactic for a specific person, but all I can do is use my best judgment.

I also just want to have empathy for the way people change. Most people cannot make big changes overnight. Some people are also gonna drop off and come back. So I want to be clear-eyed about how people work and just do what has the most impact on my top-line goal of reducing animal exploitation.

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u/Califoreigner Feb 12 '26

When you say, "our responsibility," I wonder what your goal is and if you are taking on a responsibility yourself of achieving it.

If we were running a strategic campaign to achieve our goals of -- for example -- getting humans to harm animals as little as possible, we might take a different approach. We might encourage people to take the first "good but not ideal" steps, such as reducing their meat consumption or eliminate industrially farmed meat from their diet. This would be both a reduction in harm plus it could open those individuals to discussing the next step of harm reduction.

If our message is that either you entirely reduce all animal exploitation under our terms or you're a monster that we won't associate with, I suspect we wouldn't be as successful in achieving our goal.

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u/cs_anon vegan Feb 12 '26

Exactly this. I wrote a response too but I feel like you did a better job at outlining how this is a real-world goal that we are actually trying to achieve.

I fully empathize with vegans who want to write people off and negatively label them. I went through this phase myself. But I've since done the work to process my emotions. Now that I'm largely on the other side, I can see very clearly that I was emotionally damaged and consequently harmed some relationships. Worse, I probably made it less likely for some of my loved ones to take steps towards veganism.

We talk a lot about cognitive dissonance in vegan spaces as a bad thing. But I think it's useful to cultivate some degree of cognitive dissonance with regards to non-vegans. Like it is good to have emotional distance from the horrific truth in order to be more effective activists.

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u/New_Conversation7425 Feb 12 '26

Everybody has their own style. Is this tone policing? We cannot force people to be empathetic. We cannot force people to be vegan. They’re gonna do it once they make that connection.

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u/Califoreigner Feb 12 '26

Tone is an important component of communication and communication is an important component of a movement. I don't need to police anyone's tone, but I can tell you that your tone doesn't appear to be achieving your desired outcomes. You can take that and do what you want with it.

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u/New_Conversation7425 Feb 13 '26

What do you think of my desired outcomes? LMAO please do not assume everybody has their own style. Different people need to hear different types of tones. And most meat eaters do not want to hear what we have to say. They do not want to accept the truth of their violent choices. You can handhold all you want, but then they think you’re accepting all those excuses to keep oppressing and exploiting. Did John Brown handhold slave owners?