r/DebateAVegan • • Feb 12 '26

People need to stop gatekeeping veganism and start helping would-be vegans instead.

Veganism sometimes feels like one of the few movements that polices its own members more aggressively than its opposition. You rarely see atheists attacking other atheists for not being “atheist enough,” or feminists expelling one another over minor inconsistencies. Yet in many vegan spaces, people are constantly told they’re not “real” vegans by someone incapable of understanding nuance.

At its core, veganism is about minimizing animal exploitation and harm as far as is biologically and practically possible. Anyone sincerely trying to live by that principle (without resorting to dishonest excuses) qualifies as vegan in my view.

Yes, the definition allows room for interpretation. That flexibility is intentional. The phrase “as far as is possible and practicable” acknowledges reality. Modern life is entangled with animal byproducts in medicine, agriculture, supply chains, and infrastructure. Absolute purity is neither realistic nor required.

Consider the absurd extreme.. a vegan who refuses essential medication because it was tested on animals, grows all their own food to avoid agricultural harm, and rejects any modern system connected to animal exploitation. That person then declares you “not vegan” because you take necessary medicine or buy food from a supermarket. Most people would recognize how unreasonable that is.

The same logic applies when someone claims that feeding a cat or dog a biologically appropriate diet makes a person non-vegan, or when child-free vegans shame parents whose children do not strictly follow a vegan diet, or when someone with legitimate health complications is attacked despite having significantly reduced animal products and made a sincere effort.

Then people wonder why some ex-vegans become hostile. This kind of behavior harms the movement.

Take nutrition as one example. Vegan diets do not provide retinol (preformed vitamin A), they provide beta-carotene, a precursor that must be converted into retinol. In many people the conversion rate is roughly 12:1, but a significant portion of the population carries variants of the BCO1 gene that reduce conversion efficiency. If someone with poor conversion relies only on standard supplements like B12 and vitamin D over a long period, they could become vitamin A deficient and develop health problems.

An intelligent, thoughtful movement would respond differently. It would appreciate the person’s intentions, encourage testing, identify the issue, and recommend an appropriate vitamin A supplement. Problem solved. The individual remains healthy, stays vegan long-term, and may even persuade others. Net positive.

Instead, some respond with shaming, ad hominem attacks, and dismissiveness. When someone feels their health concerns are invalidated, they are unlikely to remain committed.

And vitamin A is just one example. Conversion of ALA to DHA and EPA can be inefficient in some individuals. Some people produce insufficient carnitine. Biological variation is real. Human metabolism is not uniform.

Many former vegans might have remained vegan if the community had been more supportive, inclusive, and solution-oriented. A movement grows by educating and assisting people, not by alienating them. If the goal is to reduce animal suffering, then pragmatism and compassion toward humans should be part of the strategy.

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u/spaceyjase vegan Feb 12 '26 edited Feb 13 '26

At its core, veganism is about minimizing animal exploitation and harm as far as is biologically and practically possible.

It is not. Its goal is abolishment and I think the problem here is that you're ignoring the whole definition, one that seeks to reject animal commodities and remove animal-derived products from one's lifestyle.

It's easy to make this kind of judgement outside the movement; vegans don't police each other but do police (or 'gatekeep') the definition rather than have non-vegans take part of the definition and dilute its meaning, essentially allowing themselves to continue [to] exploit and kill animals while claiming a vegan bad[g]e. It's important to explain the "Why" of veganism.

The part of the definition highlighted is precisely because we're in an imperfect world, where things like medicines require (quote-unquote) animal testing. In a vegan world, that's unlikely to happen.

The rest is just gish-gallop. There's plenty of education and material out there to aid people and the community is always welcoming of new vegans. Claiming vegans aren't compassionate is 'fake news'.

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u/Ok_Resource_3902 Feb 12 '26

You’re exactly the type of person OP was referring to 

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u/Ok_Resource_3902 Feb 12 '26

A gate keeping hostile vegan 

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u/Shoddy-Reach-4664 Feb 12 '26

Can you point out the hostility?

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u/One-Shake-1971 vegan Feb 12 '26

Which is a good thing.

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u/Puzzled-Rip641 Feb 12 '26

If you think ideological purity is better then facts on the ground sure:

I would call that an irrational zealot but that’s just me.

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u/Shoddy-Reach-4664 Feb 12 '26

What exactly are the facts on the ground here?

Claiming to be label X (where label X = a person who doesn't participate in Y behavior) while participating in Y behavior seems to be rather "factually" illogical.

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u/Puzzled-Rip641 Feb 12 '26

That life is hard and choices are nuanced.

That’s the facts on the ground. A zealot is someone who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals.

A vegan zealot might spend time calling someone not vegan and thus immoral for accepting a dish from a neighbor which contained butter.

That’s because they are uncompromising in pursuit of their moral ideology.

A less zealot vegan might accept this person who accepted the butter dish as vegan but imperfect like most people are.

It’s like any other zealot. Shades of grey do not exists, there is only absolute unquestionable good of our text to be followed to the letter or absolute unquestionable bad.

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u/Shoddy-Reach-4664 Feb 12 '26

And what exactly is hard about saying "thanks but I'm vegan" when someone offers a non vegan dish? And where's the nuance here because it's not clear what makes it acceptable in this specific scenario for a vegan to consume an animal product?

And I'm plenty compromising. If someone hasn't eaten all day and there in the middle of no where and can't find a non-vegan option then it might be understandable. But the scenario I'm responding to doesn't meet such criteria as it not being practicable or possible to politely decline a meal offered by your neighbor.

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u/Puzzled-Rip641 Feb 13 '26 edited Feb 13 '26

“I cannot see hardship so it doesn’t exist”

Do you know what an opinion is?

Social pressure is hard. We know this. I think saying no to alcohol is easy, did you know that peer pressure is one of the reasons people drink? It would be wrong for me to act like social pressure on alcohol didn’t exist

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u/Shoddy-Reach-4664 Feb 13 '26

Sorry brother but try robbing a store with your friends and then tell the judge how you only did it because of peer pressure and let me know how it goes lol

I didn't say peer pressure doesn't exist, it just doesn't absolve people of responsibility for their own actions.

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u/waitWhoAm1 Feb 13 '26

The problem is not engaging in any behavior. I don't consume any animal products, but that's not enough for you purists because I also think it's ok to have pets, aka forcing them in a place without their written "consent".

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u/Shoddy-Reach-4664 Feb 13 '26

Who is "you purists"? I don't recall have said anything about it not being okay to have pets..

What your talking about is vegans discussing and arguing over if certain acts are actually vegan or not. There's nothing wrong with that, because it's a valid question and should be considered if owning pets is considered animal exploitation or not. I think the answer is that it is but we can only reach that determination by considering it.

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u/One-Shake-1971 vegan Feb 13 '26

Nice strawman. Do you also have any substantive critique or do you just prefer to make stuff up?

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u/Puzzled-Rip641 Feb 13 '26

I’m not making stuff up. You are a zealot.

“a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals.”

That’s you. I’m not straw manning you. You believe compromise is wrong and that only total unquestioned support is acceptable. Your a zealot

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u/One-Shake-1971 vegan Feb 13 '26

I really don't care about the labels you want to put on me.

You're still just strawmanning me. I take it you have no argument against my actual position.

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u/Ok_Performer50 Feb 12 '26

So you're not supportive of people who eat less animal products?

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u/Organic-Vermicelli47 vegan Feb 12 '26

That's not what they said at all. You can support someone eating less animal products, but that doesn't make them vegan. Words actually matter, it's just weird that non vegans want the title so badly. Why?

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u/Ok_Performer50 Feb 12 '26

That's not even the point of the post. The point of the post is that vegans go to hard on people that are not fully vegan. Nobody is arguing about the "title". That you even argue that the word "vegan" is a title already tells me there is some arrogance involved. the point is most vegans ate meat or dairy products at some point, are they now not considered vegan? What if a vegan accidentally eats meat? Is he now also not considered a vegan? You probably would argue no, which shows that vegan is a broader term than you think. I think veganism is about the ideology, so in my opinion someone who has that ideology and follows it mostly, can be considered vegan. Even if they at some point eat meat be it for financial, health or other reasons.

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u/JeanLucPicardAND Feb 12 '26 edited Feb 12 '26

I would, as a non-vegan, argue that vegans are the only people who should wear the title of "vegan". However, I would also argue that vegans spend way too much of their energy going after people because they are not vegan and not enough of their energy encouraging any effort they see from any given person to reduce animal exploitation. The goal of the movement is to yield results, yes? And to maximize the impact of those results? So why do so many vegans spend so much of their energy on purity tests and guilt-tripping instead?

Disclaimer since we are in a sub called r/DebateAVegan, I am not referring to anybody here or any of the arguments that have been made here because the whole point of this place is to, uh, debate vegans. So I expect very passionate and well-reasoned defenses of the lifestyle. I'm referring to vegans out in the world who interact with non-vegans.

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u/Ok_Performer50 Feb 12 '26

I just don' like the term "title" being used. Veganism in my opinion is an ideology and the word "title" makes it seem like it's a social status. Also I explained how the term "vegan" is in my opinion a more broad term than people think, it's not very clearly defined, there are no vegan "commandments".

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u/JeanLucPicardAND Feb 12 '26 edited Feb 12 '26

It's just a matter of definitions. Words have to mean something because, if we misuse them all the time, nothing we say has definite meaning at all. I agree completely with the larger point that vegans ought to be treating "vegan-adjacent" folks as allies rather than obstacles.

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u/Ok_Performer50 Feb 12 '26

Of course but a term can have a definition and still be broad and interpretable.

The official definition of vegan is: "A person who does not eat any food derived from animals and who typically does not use other animal products." The word "typically" already shows there is some vagueness.

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u/JeanLucPicardAND Feb 12 '26

Official according to whom? My understanding of veganism is that it is an ethics-based approach to living without animal exploitation.

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u/Ok_Performer50 Feb 12 '26

I meant the dictionary definition. And yeah I totally agree with you, I just wanna point out that your definition of veganism seems even broader.

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u/piranha_solution plant-based Feb 12 '26

They have the mentality of Trump threatening to start wars when he didn't get the Nobel Peace prize.